Sabastian Enges Shares His Transformational Spiritual Journey with Secret Lessons to Success in Business & Life

Kevin Harrington
Hi, I’m Kevin Harrington, an original shark from the hit television show Shark Tank and you’re listening to the underdog podcast

Pamela Bardhi
Hello, everyone, and welcome to the underdog Podcast. Today I have an incredible guest here with me, Sabastian. how are you, my friend?

Sabastian Enges
I’m doing fantastic. Life is good.

Pamela Bardhi
It’s a blessing to have you on here today. As I was mentioning before the call, I saw you on Instagram. And just the way that you speak, your energy, your flow. All the things, I’m just like, I gotta connect with him. He is an absolute Rockstar. So thank you so much for being here today. Can’t wait to get into your story and all of the things. Now, first question, what inspired you on your journey to where you are today, my friend,

Sabastian Enges
First of all, appreciate your inviting me to be on the podcast. I’m excited to chat with you. And hopefully, we’ll be able to unpack some things today that will help others. Inspiration is an interesting thing to be on a couple of different levels. We talked about that like well, what are those moments, those triggers, or those turning points in your life? And I don’t know, I don’t recall a single one I dropped into this particular lifetime. Very aware of my reason for being here, which I don’t know is terribly common yet. But so I kind of came in on a mission.

A lot of my early life experiences certainly taught me a lot of the lessons necessary to be able to do the work that I’m doing now. But I don’t know that there was any single moment that I can point to that. Like, Yeah, this is the moment where I decided it was mostly a journey. It’s mostly though, I think I spent most of my time learning the lessons necessary to be able to teach energetically from a place that can shift consciousness. And that was a lot of it was my own life lesson. So if you hear my content, a lot of my content is me going through and doing the work of understanding these truths and a meatsuit.

Pamela Bardhi
I love it. Oh my god. So question for you is it seems like you’ve been spiritually aware. I think you’ve just like came into this life. And you were just born wise. But what did you want to be as a kid? Like, what was your dream?

Sabastian Enges
I think early life associations were I was just curious about the world. And I still am. I’m very curious about the third dimension, the intensity, or the density of the energy here. How being shown up and how we participate is interesting to me. So is very interested in science, very interested in astronomy. Why things are the way they are? And that’s never really changed. I’m obsessed with knowledge. I’m obsessed with reading I love understanding the world and making sense of it. Or really, by orientation now how do people make sense of it? Like, how do you know their perception of the world we’re living in? So early life was a lot of science, a lot of curiosity.

As I got older, I was raised by a single mom. And that certainly shaped a lot of my early life views. I know that was the conditions I wanted to drop in under for a number of reasons we can unpack if you want. But part of that was I learned very early around provision and gotten into business. My first business I started when I was 11 years old, somewhat out of necessity. I was trying to help my mom with finances and I went to go try to get a job and hit a bunch of doors offered to work. Nobody would hire me and I was so confused and like willing, able-bodied. Why would you not hire me and later find out it was? Well, because it’s illegal to hire an 11 year old to go work for your company.

So but God bless the United States, it’s not illegal to start your own company. You can’t work for somebody else at 11. But you can run your own business at 11 capitalism at its finest. So I started my first business at 11 years old and learned a lot of really early life lessons that helped me this book. I still have probably the first book, I wrote, I read on personal development. You can tell pretty well paged at this point. But I read it when I was 11 talking about just being resourceful and using the things in your environment. I grew up in the Pacific Northwest. And this time of year, that’s like July, August and on. Blackberries grow pretty much everywhere. It’s like a weed. And so I hired all my brother’s friends, my friends, we picked blackberries all summer.

And I learned the leverage of other people’s time. Then I called the local restaurants and undersell what they’re buying for a few dollars. We made enough money that summer to pay for our first weight sets and give my mom back a bunch of money. And I realized then like working for somebody else. The only reason to work for somebody else was for education. My mom worked her butt off and she worked for an amazing dude, he took care of us. He was a dentist, so she managed his office and he was certainly good to our family. But no matter how hard she worked, she only made X amount of dollars. That was the exchange or salaried employee. You make X amount of dollars no matter what.

And I never understood why someone would put themselves in that environment. Now for a number of reasons that may be best but for how I’m hardwired. I was like I would never want to work in an environment where no matter how hard I work. I’m still only making x amount of dollars. I want to be paid on performance because it’s just you get so much more amplitude or leverage of what you’re doing. So I think business and politics kind of became more interesting to me around puberty. And then kind of just took off in that direction.

Pamela Bardhi
That’s amazing. So imagine you said 11 years old, the same way. I was 10

Sabastian Enges
I went into from there I eventually went into food service or work for restaurants. Started as a dishwasher and worked all the way up into management. And love serving and bartending while I was in college. It was fun. So there’s a lot you learn about people through that process.

Pamela Bardhi
Oh, my goodness, yes. And I think that starting at such a young age. The fact that you read thinking Grow Rich when you were 11 is mind-blowing. Man, I didn’t get to that. I think I wasn’t, it was until I was like, 23, something like that. And I listen to it, listen to it on audio on my way to New York. I’m sitting there like, wow. Like, this makes so much sense. It was mind-blowing. Then just being in business at such a young age, and like seeing that hustle and having that drive. It’s amazing to me, the skill sets that you pull up.

People always ask me to, they’re like, Pam, like, how do you get your communication skills and all the things. I’m like, honestly, it’s because I was exposed to people at such a young age. I see what they want, I see how they react, body language, verbal, nonverbal, all of the things and like. It’s like, and then multitasking you learned in the restaurant industry like it’s nobody’s business. So I can have 17 things going on at the same time.

And I’m just chilling, and people are like, Pam, you give me anxiety. We can think that you let alone me like hearing about it or actually doing it. I’m like, I don’t know. It’s like a magic trick, if you will, like, in your experience, how has that helped you? And you know, kind of getting there? Like, what? What are some tips or some thoughts on that? Because I get that all the time? I’m kind of like, I don’t know, I just learned it.

Sabastian Enges
You know, Steve Jobs is quote, he’s always quoted for saying sometimes we don’t understand it until we look back. I’m paraphrasing what he said. But it’s like, I look at my early life experiences and see how they were very much orchestrated for the work that I’m doing now. And I was put into environments to hone particular human skill sets, and work in the restaurant business or hospitality industry. And to this day, if anything people facing in my business. I prefer to hire people that come from hospitality that done it for a while. Because you just naturally learn social Well, not necessarily. But more often than not, you learn social intelligence, being in those environments.

All the things you said you’re looking at verbal cues, nonverbal cues, you’re picking up on energy. You get really good at figuring out the decision maker. As you’re, if you’re in the service industry, or you’re a server or waiter. And you go to a table, you just naturally figure out who the decision maker is. Who’s the person that’s going to pay the bill? You get to figure things out that make you more effective in reaching and communicating. I didn’t think of it that way. When I was a kid, it was like, Well, this is a great way to earn money. And come home with cash in my pocket every night and I was naturally good at it, I enjoyed it.

But looking back at it, I’m like, Well, this was honing particular skill sets that I use every day of my life and a part of my business. Now we have a business management training program, where we bring in young adults. It’s not really age-related, but generally, people trying to make a pivot in their careers. Or coming out of school and want to get real-world experience. We bring them through a program. And we go hard, our focus. And that program is on sales with a very similar structure. But it’s really around creating human interaction and be effective at communicating. Which is a lost skill set.

It seems as time goes on, we seem to be less. And less effective as a community that communicating verbally and non-verbally in person, human to human contact. So we go hard on teaching those skill sets. And I love with rare exception. Usually, people who come from the service industry or hospitality are already ahead of the game. We love them. Because I love the hospitality industry. I’ll teach you a lot.

But it’s tough to make a living there. Running a restaurant is not an easy business. And if you’re a server that you don’t even own the restaurant, it’s even harder. There’s, you’re gonna cap out as far as where you can grow. And so we like the guys that did that while they were going to school or college. Who is now trying to make a professional pivot because they tend to transition very well? Anything people facing anyway.

Pamela Bardhi
And I can’t wait to get into your career trajectory, because what you’re doing now is absolutely amazing. And where you were as a kid definitely elevated you and orchestrated you to what you’re doing now. But you mentioned drop in a couple of times jumping into this life and I can tell you’re deeply spiritual person. One of the best Phrases is that business is a spiritual game. Tony Robbins Yeah. I’m interested to hear your perspective and kind of your experience in that realm. Because that definitely I can tell has played a huge role in who you are and what you do.

Sabastian Enges
Yeah, I guess maybe sometimes I say that to casually that some people don’t understand what the hell I mean. But there are certain truths to me that are self-evident. Certainly, we can unpack to whatever degree you want to but for me, I dropped in, as I say. Or I came dropped into the third dimension, with full consciousness that I was a spiritual being inhabiting a meat suit. I didn’t contend with that. In early life, I didn’t have questions about the nature of reality, in that sense.

The origin of this world, my association with God. It was like, a lot of times, I think this is the one dimension as far as I can tell. We’re part of the rules of dropping in. We drop in with the illusion of separateness and it’s generally one of the last that fall off. When somebody becomes more conscious and more aware, the separateness begins to fall away. I didn’t struggle with that orientation much I struggled more with how to engage with humans, which maybe is another discussion. But I didn’t struggle with my orientation to where I came from separateness wasn’t my issue. I had my own issues, my own work, for sure, but separateness was not one of them.

Which is kind of always oriented my life. And so and a lot of early life experiences, I thought were very human, very normal. I didn’t realize that I think all humans have the capability to do things like see auric fields. Or to see in energy or communicate telepathically, which may be way woo-woo for our business audience. But nonetheless, I love it. I do think humans have the ability to communicate and show up that way. But it’s a skill that we have either forgotten or lost. And we just don’t use it like any other muscle. If you don’t use it, it goes away.

So early life, I thought everybody saw things that way. And I was kind of shocked into a reality of no like that. There isn’t everybody see things this way. It wasn’t until I was actually a young teenager that I ran into a Reiki Master. Who helped me make sense of why not everybody saw things that way. Because I actually had a fear of all places. And I was seeing an energetic profile. And I was commenting on my mind, and I heard somebody comment on it out loud. I first thought it was me and I looked and this woman was seeing the same thing I was saying. Was like, you can see that and so we got into a discussion and that opened up more doors for me.

But yeah, so drop in and furs that this is. I would suggest or offer to those who want to contemplate such a thing that Earth is a sandbox that we get to play in. And we get to learn lessons and experiment and get to enjoy the richness of life through many different variations of expression. And that is the work right and we all drop in for our own reasons. So some are aware that they dropped in, and some are not.

And there’s you know, everybody in the spectrum and I have fun participating with humans. However, they show up whether they you know, believe that they’re atheists or agnostic or that this was all one big accident. Or they’re deeply religious to whatever particular religion they want to subscribe to. I love connecting heart with any of those different groups. But that’s kind of how I showed up.

Pamela Bardhi
I love that, Sebastian, I love that. And just your consciousness, I listen, I was a kid, I was very similar to you growing up energetic field. I’ve always believed in magic. I used to call it but it’s really energy. It’s energy. And it’s been proven by science at this point, quantum physics. Many times over all of the things like you know, psychics or non-psychics and fact prophets, you’re just communicating the source. That’s all it is.

Sabastian Enges
We label it depending on our frame of reference. But they’re all the same thing. When you begin to get certain titles turned people off, depending on who your audiences so but you’re right. It’s all the same function.

Pamela Bardhi
Absolutely. And it’s just amazing to me that you have those gifts because seeing somebody who’s super successful in business and having similar experiences is super cool. Because this is how I want to know how it translated into your business career because you’ve been super successful in business. Your business consultant among a whole bunch of other things. You’re a coach, host of the f5 podcast, right? So you’ve got all types of incredible things that you’re working on.

So I’d love to just hear your career trajectory and how you kind of shifted and elevated to that space. I just love that your consciousness started at such a young age. And you were able to embrace that and kind of take that in and pour it into your passion, which is business and you’re culminating the two. Which I think is the most beautiful thing. So I sit here in full admiration of like, holy crap, this is amazing.

Sabastian Enges
Oh, thank you. Yeah, I love strategy, particular talents or gifts that I have to tend to bode well in the strategy game. Because I usually can see many moves ahead and kind of see where things are going. So that certainly helps and business and I love the game. I love the game of business, I love games. I’m very curious, I’m very competitive. But in like a fun way like I enjoy challenging myself, I enjoy growing. So those things are very conducive for me. I think my passion, hopefully, doesn’t sound too cliche. But my passion is really people and creating structures or frames, or containers. Depending on the world you come from. Where people can potentially and then that potentiation remember who they are, why they’re here.

So really act as a signpost. Story, potentially a navigator to help others remember why they’re here. And I think a lot of the work that I’m doing now is calling forth that energy and others. As I’ve gotten more aggressive in social media and gotten more committed to that it’s deep calls unto deep. And there’s an energetic resonance or truth that’s being spoken that is that people are resonating with. Most of the time, what I hear is you’re putting to words things that I know to be true. I just haven’t been able to express it by which is, that’s it. Like, I don’t really think there’s new truth, and you’re not likely ever going to hear me my signature to something.

And go I’m the originator of this truth of this is like such a silly concept. In my world, it’s more just helping others remember. Then being in a community that helped others helped me remember. When we’re unpacking and unlocking things together. And that’s my passion business just happens to be a great frame for that for a number of reasons. Because it has the tensions necessary for people to grow, that has the structures necessary to challenge people. So gratifying growth is a really effective way of getting people to wake up. Because it exposes what you are when there’s pressure, what’s in you gets exposed. Now we have an opportunity to deal with it.

And that’s all of us. So how do we present ourselves? How do we deal with this? you know, business is one of the mountains of influence and one that I’m certainly very keen on. But I kind of go back a little bit. I was in Washington state where I grew up has a program where you can test in college while you were still in high school, which was great. As long as you test I think your sophomore year, you could take the college interest exam. If you pass it, you could, the state would pay you to go to college, which is sweet. So you end up with your first two years of school done college with high school. And I’m a student for life.
I’m obsessed with growing but I wasn’t a massive fan of academia for a number of reasons. But I enjoyed growing and learning where it was happening. But I ended up moving away from the peninsula. Went to Seattle, worked as a recruiter had some fun doing that learned a lot, and worked for Amazon. Worked for a recruiting agency that worked for Amazon and worked for them directly. And ended up deciding to move to California through a number of things that happened in my life serendipitously. I ended up going to Bible college. So I ended up getting a degree in Biblical Studies.

The Bible is still, to this day, one of my favorite books for a number of reasons. But that was kind of my early kind of structures and frames. Then was constantly looking for ways to impact everything for me as measured impact. And Phoenix Consulting Group was born out of the last recession. The Great Recession, as we call it, and it was trying to create a home or a place where people could come that felt lost. And you probably remember this, like, it was a pretty scary time for a lot of people. They were trying to get jobs, unemployment was in the double digits. And people were scared and frustrated. Then go to interview places and they hear we’re looking for people with experience.

And they would say well, how am I supposed to get experienced, nobody will hire me, which is kind of hopeless situation. So we built our business management training program where we brought people in. Didn’t really judge them based on their background or experience or education. They’ve created really a game to help people grow and develop and a curriculum to help them do that. And 12 years later, we’re coast to coast nationwide company. We have 300 employees working with some of the biggest brands in the world, having fun doing it. But the goal, make no mistake is impact.

And it’s much easier to teach truth in action than it is in words. Which is part of the reason why I stayed out of social media for a long time. Because I was so busy tactically working in an analog world. Where it’s like, I’m a practitioner of what I teach, and I’m not sitting. And you know, somewhere reading shit and then regurgitating it to others. Like I’m out beating on my craft and developing these skills. Hear that and how I speak more often than not when people hear me it’s not what they hear. It’s what they feel. That’s the constant feedback that I get. It’s like and it’s funny because I don’t necessarily so far my content has haven’t really got much into a religious context.

I haven’t really got much into spiritual context. But those who have ears can hear. Those who are of that realm can hear what I’m presenting. And to me, that’s an effective way to preach. I think St. Francis of Annecy, said, you know, preach at all times, and if necessary use words. To me, that’s the work, right? When you show up energetically. You’ve done the work energetically, it shows up and how you communicate. And people can feel what you’re saying more than what you’re saying.

Pamela Bardhi
100% That’s how I met you. When you’re God’s I can feel exactly what it is that you’re saying. And I love your journey. Thank you so much, for sharing that with me. You know, basically, you built your own startup to what it is now since the last recession. And I mean, there are a lot of entrepreneurs that listen to this podcast. Then of course, the number one question is always like, how do you go like. How do you get out of those first three to five years that are so tough? What are some of the biggest lessons that you’ve learned that have helped you elevate to now? Which now you can get to a place to have impact and help the world and really, truly live a passion.

Sabastian Enges
Yeah, those early life lessons for me around those things. It’s pretty silly now when I look back at it. But for the sake of honest conversation, and hopefully teachable moments for others. I genuinely believed in early life that a lot of success, there was something I didn’t know. Like it was an obsession with reading. So I was constantly looking for more and more information to give me a competitive edge. And I can safely say knowledge is important. But 80% of winning in business is psychology, your mentality. How you show up every day, it’s how you’re looking at the work that you’re doing. It’s the drivers behind the work you’re doing. It’s the value you put into the work you’re doing.

And so a lot of the coaching and I don’t do one-on-one coaching much anymore. Because it’s tactically not, the opportunity cost is generally too high. But in coaching normally the first thing I’m doing is getting into someone’s frame. How are they looking at the world? What are they paying attention to? Their beliefs around success, beliefs around money? What are their beliefs around influence? And the architecture around that is subconsciously not like directing somebody’s life. So much of the entrepreneurial journey is really personal development. It’s confronting those areas of your life that you’re ignoring or not paying attention to. There’s not a lot of paths that will do that.

If you go, you could go get a job and work for somebody else. And as long as you do minimally viable work, you can stay gainfully employed at least the non-recessionary time. And you’re not being challenged, and you’re probably not going to grow. You check in, you check out your Do you think so? But early life, a lot of people that I loved that were doing well in business would always say things like, Dude, you just got to work hard. Keep the vision ahead of you be super disciplined, have great habits. And I’m like, yes, yes, I know. But what else is like, yeah, like, but what else because some part of me thought there was a magic formula. Or some secret sauce that I just hadn’t quite figured out yet.

It’s fair to say, now it is those things, and nobody wants to hear that. We know this. It’s like you have a friend you haven’t seen in a long time. And you see him like 30 or 40 pounds lighter, they’ve got different energy about them. They’re excited. And you’re like, Whoa, first thing you want to do is ask them what they did. As if we don’t know what they did. It’s a human tendency, right? We’re like, I think some part of us is just praying. They’re gonna you know what, I found this perfect little pill. Or I found this perfect little formula.

And then when they’re like, You know what, I just started eating clean and work out a few times a week and kind of pay attention to what I’m putting in my body. We’re like, oh, we want it to be something else. It’s like, it’s the same thing with success. So when somebody goes, Oh, yeah, I mean, it’s just, you know, work hard, work smart, be disciplined, stay focused. Say no to a lot of things that are distracting you. It’s like, I don’t want to hear that, give me something else. And then that’s why I think so many people miss success. Because it really is found in those very simple things.

There is an element of luck to it. I think there’s plenty of luck to go around. So I would never, never work have that work against me. It turns out, when you put yourself in places where luck can show up, it tends to happen. But certainly, there’s an element of luck. But not so much that you should be discounting hard work, or doing the right thing, or you know, discipline. And think you’re just gonna get lucky, that’s not going to happen. That concerns me because I read a stat five, five, or six years ago that we spend more money on lottery tickets than books and our culture. This tells me we fundamentally believe the way we’re gonna bail ourselves out is through luck. And not just that, isn’t it? on any level?

Pamela Bardhi
Absolutely. doing the work is always the toughest thing. Like you just said, it’s like, we want to believe that there’s this magic pill, these magic things that just happen. But it takes so much grit as I remember, I used to be back against the wall when I first started, like, my middle name was overdraft. Like, it was just like, I couldn’t budget for jack shit. I couldn’t like figure it out. And I was trying so hard. I think the thing that got me through was being able to reach out to other people and ask for help. That was like my magic wand and just say like, Listen, I am really sucking at this, talking to my coaches and stuff. And I’m like, What do I do? Like, what do I do?

Because the one thing that I think led to my success is my ability to allow the ego to come down and not say like, Hey, I know it. Because a lot of entrepreneurs do and then that’s how they really get themselves up against the wall. But I was like, Hey, listen, I’m in trouble. I don’t know how to do this. Can you guys help me? What did you do in the situation? You know, I’d have coaches be like, Yeah, I’ve been there. I screwed things up. Like, here’s how you get out. And I’m like, okay, cool. Like, let’s do that, let’s do some more of that. And so it’s just interesting. It’s really interesting to see the trajectories as you mentioned.

And kind of how in business, there’s so many different factors and so many different things. But I think the ability to ask for help is a really, really, really big one. That was one of my biggest lessons in business and as you said, doing the work is critical. Because I’m sure for you when you first started Sabastian, it wasn’t like you had these 300 employees and all of these clients, it’s like no, no, your ground. And you scaled it out and just your mantra of life and just your mentality towards certain things. I definitely the reason why you’ve elevated the way that you’ve elevated. So what has been your biggest lesson would you say, in business and life and all other things?

Sabastian Enges
There’s a few pieces that I want to go back to something you were sharing in your own journey. Because there’s a lot of little powerful nuggets there on having coaches around you. Or mentors around you that can kind of accelerate your process by helping you navigate through lessons that you can learn quickly if somebody’s helping you through it. Like oh, yeah, I’ve done this, you know, avoid that mistake. I wish I could say that we were particularly good as humans at learning from other people’s mistakes. I’m not sure that’s actually true. It seems like a lot of us really do need to touch the hot stove to realize not to do certain things. But at least, in theory, having mentors that can help coaches through that is important.

Then recognizing another thing you said suddenly. But important is recognizing what you’re good at and what you’re not good at, and writing aces in their places. So hire people that play at things you have to work at like that. That’s what they’re really good at. And the Phoenix five podcast is that for me, it’s the I have a team of four really powerful partners that are all women, and they’re all badasses. We’re moving into the time of Aquarius. The divine feminine is about to rise on a powerful level, which I think is really important. But anyway, so I’m surrounded by badasses that help make Phoenix what it is today in the synergy of those different strengths. And they show up everyone shows up with their own strengths really helps.

And it’s you know, business is a team sport. And I certainly I’m oriented towards it in that way. As far as community goes, as far as lessons, I think I’ve had a lot of different lessons depending on the season of life. One is what I shared is like it’s getting to work and trusting the process. I think I had a hard time with trust in the early days, as it was oriented towards humans. So that was part of my work is like how do I show up in trust in loving trust. So in fact, for a whole year that I was running my business, I was married, still in a nine-month-old, very tough time. 72 Miles was away with my office, which is bit of a drive, and a Jeep Grand Cherokee, just the way everything fell.

And I was like, every morning when I would take a shower and get out and write on the fogged mirror trust. Because I didn’t really understand how it was. I knew in my heart, I was exactly where I was supposed to be. I knew I was doing exactly what I was meant to I just didn’t understand. Consciously I didn’t understand how this was all going to get me to where I felt like I was going. And it was like 18 months later, I just broke down in tears and just got a complete download and release and then saw it. But I was like fuck 18 months, it would have been easy for me anywhere along that journey to bounce. Because just out of not being able to trust.

So that season in my life, I was learning a few really powerful lessons trust, surrender, let go, and instant obedience. But not obedience in a subservient way. An instant acknowledgment in alignment with what is. Like seeing what is and aligning with it. Right not fighting it. And those were early life lessons that had early business lessons that were huge for me. And really became part of the DNA of how I run business to part of my culture. The next set of lessons is really about how to support human being and hold them accountable in effective ways. So I went through this early stage of my business where I joke about it. Like I missed out on an opportunity to kind of had Bravo come in and run a reality television show and it would have killed on Netflix.

It could be Netflix right now because my business was growing like crazy. But if you looked at how I ran my business, it was more like running a hospital, not an army. Because I just believe that I could just love everyone into being better people. And I wanted everyone to just be happy. And I wanted everyone to just feel loved and supported. So it was like running a frickin ministry, I would do morning meetings become more to meetings every day, which is like a wrap-up for the morning. I was just preaching that the guys love and empowerment and strength. So they love to be in the environment. But I didn’t hold anybody accountable.

So and this sometimes in the woo-woo world gets a little edgy for them. Because, like I come from both sides, and that can be hard. The woo-woo group has a hard time with it. Because there’s an edge to me around discipline and focus and getting off your ass and getting work done. And sometimes the woo-woo crowd doesn’t like that. They’re just like I’m just gonna sit on my couch and chips is gonna fall. You’re like, like Yeah, no, that’s not gonna happen. There’s so heavenly-minded there no earthly good.

Then you had the other group which is like fuck the woo-woo shit. I can’t handle that. Just tell me what to do and like I want to get after it do me a shovel or you know, I’m gonna get to work. So it’s the marrying of the As to worlds that’s the secret sauce. In many ways, I would say that the masculine and the feminine in a perfect dance. That’s where I think we’re moving into as those two are going to come together. And synergize in a way that we haven’t seen for multi millennia. So I’m super excited about that. Anyway, neither here nor there, I didn’t hold people accountable. I just thought, well, if I just love them, I just love them, they’ll change. And I still believe that I don’t actually fundamentally not believe that.

But in business where there is a scorecard and you are not running a nonprofit organization. And you do have to win, right profit is one of those scorecards. You have to create standards and structures for what winning looks like. And it radically changed my business. When I did that. We’d like hockey stick growth, and I just said, Hey, I know the value I’m bringing to the table. In order for you to participate in this environment, there has to be an equal exchange. I’m a big fan of this. Sometimes this is hard for people to understand. But it’s easy to back-test the reality of it. My covenant relationships, if you will, are reciprocating relationships. There is an equal give and take and the relationship.

If the relationship gets too far out of whack, where one is giving way more than the other, it creates karmic debt. Now I think we’re past age of karma, percent, but karmic debt between individuals. We’re just there’s an energetic debt, where one is giving way more than the other use whatever word and helps you make sense of it. But there’s just it’s out of balance. And when it gets out of balance, ironically, my experience has been, it’s not the person who’s given the most that become resentful. It’s the person that’s given the least, that becomes resentful because there isn’t equality in the relationship. And humans want to feel equal something in us deep in our being, which makes sense for not a lot of reasons. They want a quality, they don’t always understand how to get it.

And this is one of the areas where things can get very weird for people. So reciprocating relationships, there is a give and take in the relationship. And the relationships you generally value most have that given take now. It’s like in kind but doesn’t have to be the same thing. I have a reciprocal relationship with my 11-year-old child, but it’s not in money. It’s not like, well, I pay for dinner one night, you pay for dinner. The love and the bond that we share is reciprocating, it’s always not always the same energy. But it’s like unchaining in energy. Does that make sense?

Pamela Bardhi
Makes total sense, energetic balance, and karmic debt, like you said, it has to be restored.

Sabastian Enges
So that was a lesson, maybe that got too woo-woo for my business people. But I had learned to create that exchange where it was effective. And so my goal, maybe this sounds counter what I just said. But my goal in my business is to show up in such a way in which I’m always adding more value than I’m taking. Also, there is a minimum standard of how you show up if you want to participate with me on that level. And that has nothing to do with your value as a human being that has everything to do with how we show up together in partnership.

What Would Sabastian Older Self Tell His Younger Self

Pamela Bardhi
Absolutely. My favorite question which I was going to ask you, but you’ve covered so much was going to be. If there was one thing that your older self could tell your younger self, what would it be? Because you’ve gotten so many amazing lessons that I’m like, Oh, I don’t know. It’s gonna trickle it

Sabastian Enges
Yeah, for me, that one is pretty easy. I was really impatient. Like, again, this goes back to my six-year-old self having a conversation with my Creator. And I’m like, hey, yeah, I’m here. Let’s do it. Let’s get to work. And so I was frustrated at 21. When I wasn’t already ruling the world. I say that lightly, I don’t mean and don’t have a desire, per se to rule the world. But meaning, I wasn’t already fully optimized, I wasn’t already fully at work, I was in there. Like, man, there’s all these lessons I still need to learn. So if I was to go back and talk to my 18-year-old self, or 15-year-old self. I’ve said, dude, slow down, smell the roses be present.

Now, that isn’t me saying, Don’t be lazy. Fuck off. Who cares? That’s not what I’m saying. But I was so driven by the mission that I missed out on so many present moments. And so I would have just said, Yeah, a lot of achievers usually can relate to that. Now, looking back at it, I’m like, it’s not a sucker’s choice. I just didn’t know that. So I would have just said, simmer, be patient, and I will. I’m, I have a sense of urgency in my step. But I’m patient with the process. And not less certain of the outcome. I’m more certain of the outcomes than I’ve ever been.

But I’m 100% patient with the process. I’m enjoying the journey. Whereas early life wasn’t enjoying the journey. It was trying to get to the destination. And that was part of my own work. And a lot of deep conversations with God. If you will, about like, Yo, like, we’re doing this together. Like, this isn’t your work, this is our work and chill the fuck out. Like there’s nothing to prove here. Just let it manifest. You’re here to be a conduit of sorts. So that was really life. I think that’s probably what I was saying.

Pamela Bardhi
I love it. Sabastian. So in your world, what’s up in the next life? six to 12 months what is Sebastian up to?

Sabastian Enges
Well, I’m really excited, I’m going to be offering for the first time, a public course and class with access to group coaching with me. Hopefully, we’ll be done by the end of the summer, the request for that has been pretty humbling. And to this point, the only way to get access to that is really to come work in my organization. And all of the content so far that I have been putting out on social media. Which is why sometimes people are like. Why can’t we see the people in the room, which I think is funny? But it’s because it’s private meetings with guys that I’m coaching in my business or small groups of business leaders. So there’s a certain anonymity that I’m protecting is just their own. They’re doing their own work.

So anyway, so all of the content is simply repurposed content from meetings I’m having internally almost every day. But we’re about to create content that is specific, and for social media or for the public, if you will. And using social media mostly as the modality. So I’m excited about that just from scope and reach. Being able to impact more people and take what I’ve learned in the last decade. And really assimilate it in a way that can help more people when, and that for me, it’s not just business related. I think businesses are important. I think being financially free is an incredibly important thing. There’s many ways to get there, I think, but being financially free is important.

But just as important to me is that people are emotionally free. That their emotional body is healthy, their spiritual body is healthy. That they’re mentally healthy, that they’re physically healthy. So in the social media world, you usually get coached not to do that, you usually send a niche down. Because if you’re, if you’re trying to approach too many things. It’s like jack of many trades, master of none, or it’s like people don’t know you for that’s who I am. Like I’m all about all over the spokes, and I rap and all of those different fields. So I’m going to be bringing that content to the public in a more accessible way. And probably won’t be doing a lot of one on one coaching.

But we’ll be doing a lot more group coaching. So we said about that working on the outline for my book, hopefully, we’ll have that one done by the end of 2023. That’s the goal, then expanding my business, and we just started a venture capital arm of what we do. So that we can start funding businesses that we think are going to make a big impact in the world and are ecologically sustainable. That have people and profit in mind, I’m staunchly a capitalist simply. Because I haven’t seen a system that works better. But I’m not, I’m not like blind to why people are frustrated with capitalism right now. And like a good number of reasons.

I don’t really blame capitalism but mostly it’s where humans are oriented right now more than the system itself. So and but I say that by saying like, I advocate strongly for capitalism. Simply because I have not seen a system bring the best out of people more than capitalism. Which doesn’t mean that it’s a perfect system, it doesn’t mean that it doesn’t also bring the worst out of people because it brings what you are to the surface. And hey, if we come up with a better system, as consciousness arises, more people can sustain a more ideological utopia. We all just kind of chill and enjoy life and let the machines work for us. I’m open to it, I just got to see it work. It’s not where human behavior is yet.

So when that happens, I’m super into anyway, that being said. What frustrates me about capitalism right now is we’ve become so profit-centric. That we’ve totally forgotten about people. And that disgusts me on more levels than I planned to get into right now. So I like, and I’m looking for businesses that are people-driven, and the whole human. It’s not just about profit and not just profit for the guy on top. Now, as an entrepreneur, I fully understand why the guy on top makes as much as they do. They put in the risk, they’re the ones working, they’re the genius behind what they’re doing in teams. But they’re a lightning rod for where they’re at.

So I’m not saying I do not demonize people who have had lots of success. Or think that somehow they just got lucky or they’re entitled, or the bullshit that I hear. But I don’t have a problem understanding why a lot of people are like, Hey, we can distribute wealth differently. And more effectively, meaning we’re more oriented towards profit, and people and it’s an ad, right, you can’t go the other way. Because if it’s all people, no profit, you start printing money to take care of the population. And well, that’s fun. We’ve all seen how that works out in society, you got to do the business side of it, too. So it’s people and profit, but we can distribute that better.

And so companies that are more into that I’m excited about and I think the scorecard for what winning looks like as a business is changing. And the companies that understand this sooner than later are going to have an edge over it. I was so excited about that, and really advocating or leaning more into that idea. I’m not much into politics, in fact, I generally loathe it, especially where it is in our society right now. But there’s meant to be a healthy tension between social responsibility and personal responsibility. It’s not one or the other.

And I think a lot of people that are engaging with me on social media have a hard time figuring out where I fall. Because sometimes I’m advocating for social responsibility and sometimes I’m advocating for personal responsibility. And generally, the left side of the board is social responsibility. Or some version of that and the right side of the board. It is personal responsibility or some version of that. Our forefathers knew what they were doing by creating a system where they put the tension in the middle. You just got to work together to make sure we’re not going too far in either direction.

Pamela Bardhi
So loosely, absolutely so many things that you mentioned. I’m just, I’m mind blown and I’m super excited about it because really, money only amplifies who you already are

Sabastian Enges
100 percent that’s not popular. As I found out when I said that there were those who weren’t happy with that statement. But you’re right, I’ve seen it over and over again, amplifies who you are. Because you have less restrictions to express yourself. Which doesn’t mean money also affords you opportunities to grow into change. So there is an aspect of that but you see what happens if somebody gets a million dollars dropped in their lap? What shows up is what was already in them the money didn’t change them. It is just now, with that limitation being minimized. Oh, how do you What decisions do you make?

Pamela Bardhi
Absolutely, um, man, I feel like we could have discussions forever. Because you’re so busy and I love your mindsets and passion seriously. But you gotta let everyone know where to find you and your awesomeness.

Sabastian Enges
I appreciate it. Happy to jump back on some time or have you jumped on our podcast for conversations. Because this stuff is near and dear to my heart and I love talking about it. But you can find me on all social media at Sabastian Enges. Whatever your platform of choice is most active on Instagram and Tiktok. I think it’s a great platform and I kind of got talked into getting on it. So tick tock is I’m pretty active on their Instagram as a BA, not SE a lot of people miss spell.

Pamela Bardhi
Love it. Sebastian, thank you so much for being here today. You are an absolute Rockstar. Thank you. I’m so so grateful. Loved your story and all your insight. Thank you. So that’s it for today’s episode of underdog. Catch us next week, always dropping on Thursdays. And remember, if you’re interested in real estate, or want to learn how to create more money and magic in your life. Check out meetwith pamela.com and let’s chat. Sending you so so much love.