Copy Queen Tarla Makaeff Shares Her Journey to Success

Pamela Bardhi
Hello, everyone, and welcome to another episode of underdog today I have an incredible guest here with me, Tarla, how are you?

Tarla Makaeff
I’m amazing. How are you? Pamela?

Pamela Bardhi
I am doing fabulous. It’s such an honor to connect with you and hear all about your story. All the awesomeness that you have going on in your world. And I’m just excited. Thank you so much for being here today. Tarla,

Tarla Makaeff
Thanks so much for having me. I really appreciate it.

Pamela Bardhi
I was so excited to get into your story. Like I just can’t wait to hear all of the things. So tell me what inspired you on your journey to where you are today? Because you’re doing some pretty incredible stuff. And I’m like, where did this all stem from? Like, where did it all come from? So thank you.

Tarla Makaeff
Yeah, um, gosh, it’s so multi-layered basically. You know, I always like had a passion for writing. I was always good at writing and ended up being I have a bachelor’s in English, but I’m with writing emphasis. But what’s really funny is, this is very LA, where I live. I went to UCLA Extension class, and I was it was a soap opera acting class. There, I met my future boss at a marketing agency. And that is how I stumbled into copywriting. Because back in the day, there wasn’t a copywriting major. There is now I had taken some classes on advertising, I didn’t know much anything about really being a copywriter. And I really learned on the job through marketing agencies.

So that is kind of how it all started with the copywriting. And then it kind of evolved over time. After, you know, I’ve been through a lot with my parents, like I lost my dad when I was one. Then I also lost my mom after being a full-time caregiver to her for six years. And that just really makes you reevaluate your life. You know, like what’s important, and I feel like I was more in the fun creative mode earlier in my life with like fashion design and copywriting and all that. Now I’ve come more into the spiritual kind of contributing back to people making an impact type of thing.

And that’s why I kind of have added to my online business. I teach online business to people ask how to start and grow their business online. And I’ve added a self-love coaching component and went through a life coaching certification actually in a pandemic. Because you just want to get back to people at some point in your life and you realize that that’s really the most important thing. We’re all here to help each other.

Pamela Bardhi
Yes, absolutely. I absolutely love it. Thank you so much for sharing. Question for you like growing up as a kid like what did you want to be when you grew up?

Tarla Makaeff
What a great question. So I’m really funny I used to sit in a pulled-out kitchen drawer with literally a wooden spoon to my mouth. And I would always be like, almost like I was reporting the news. So the thing is, what was really weird is I was painfully shy, and looking back now I actually there is some shyness in our family. But I really think it’s from losing my dad because I know like I don’t know a lot about this. But I know that with the throat chakra it that is about like speaking your voice. And I think because of that tragedy and so.

Part of me wanting to come out was like I was like, Yes, I want to do this. But like something was holding me back. So I was really really shy. And I actually minored in theatre in college to get over my shyness. I just threw myself on a stage because I knew if I can’t speak up, then no one’s ever going to work with me. I won’t get anywhere in life. Yeah, that’s where it all started. So That’s why I love live video now. Yeah, that’s kind of where I got this, like desire that I wanted to talk and be in front of people. And I think that’s also where the acting kind of I did like acting. But I was shy, but that’s where that all those desires kind of came from.

Pamela Bardhi
That’s incredible. I love that you are onstage.

Tarla Makaeff
Well, in the acting classes, yeah, yeah. I mean, literally, I was so shy. I could not say hello to my neighbors. I’m not kidding. It was really a problem. So I that’s the first thing I thought of like, I’m a problem solver. I’m like, What am I gonna do? Oh, let me just minor in acting like Who else would think about that? And like, let me just throw myself on a stage. It’s like throwing yourself into the deep end of the pool like, Well, I’m gonna have no choice but to get over it if I’m on stage in front of people. And it really did. I’m still an introvert, but as you can probably tell, like, it really did help me get over. You know, my shyness.

Pamela Bardhi
That’s incredible. It’s interesting because what you’re doing now is helping people shine in their online business. So that and so it really correlates right like that stage setting that you’re held. Other people kind of do that, which is really incredible. And it’s funny how life comes full circle in a way. Like, it’s absolutely amazing. Oh my goodness. Now, who was your biggest who? Or what really inspired you from a really young age? Would you say?

Tarla Makaeff
Yeah, I love that my mom, my mom, was so strong. You know, she was 40 when she lost my dad. He died in an accident. It was unexpected. I mean, he was his mid-40s. So she was left alone with a one-year-old baby, she had no family here, she was completely alone. So just to see her go through all of that she was like the strongest person I knew. And when I think of it now and I don’t have children, but like to raise a child along with like, no families make nobody because they were in another country. And just to do it.

So while we’re I would of course like I missed my dad, I knew something was wrong, someone was missing. But to do it so well, where I felt like I always went to the best school. She put me in private schools all the time. I really don’t know how she did it. She always made me the fanciest gourmet little lunches as a kid. I had the nicest, lunch, she really went out of her way for me, She was amazing.

Pamela Bardhi
That’s incredible. Oh, my goodness, that’s incredible. Thank you so much for sharing that Oh, my God. And really, truly, I appreciate you sharing that about your family and also for your mom. But I mean, I can’t imagine coming to this country without knowing anybody. My parents did the same thing. They came to us when I was five years old, and they didn’t have any family barely any money, like literally nothing. No, ground zero. And it’s like you just think about that type of sacrifice. It’s like, how is that even? Like, how did they gain the strength to do such a thing. Where they just drop everything come to a new country, and is completely in the unknown?

Tarla Makaeff
Yeah, I mean, it’s, you know, it’s really amazing. I mean, my mom had come here on a trip and went home, it came to Canada. She was she’s from Quebec, and came back on another trip. And she met my dad here and got a job and just state ended up staying here. It wasn’t planned. She was like, Oh, I’m just gonna stay here, California. So beautiful. But I really, I saw I think she had fun in our younger years. But I really, especially after my dad was gone. Like that was when I was like, wow, this is just, you know, but of course, like she didn’t speak English.

At first, she had to learn the language. She told me funny stories of she was a nurse and in the hospital and saying the wrong thing. You know, using the wrong word for certain things. And that it was like funny and comical. And yeah, I mean, and kudos to your parents. Like, it’s just amazing. Yeah, I can’t imagine that going to another country, not knowing the language initially, and making your way and all that. It’s just amazing.

Pamela Bardhi
Absolutely. And it’s like, how the heck did they you know what I mean? Like, we like, it’s almost like the Choose your heart thing. Like, how is it that you know, our parents could just do things like this? They like, we look at things in our lives. And we’re like, oh, you’re that’s so hard. But then when you really think of hard to me, it’s like, yeah, going to another country with little kids. Not knowing how you’re going to support yourself where you’re gonna work and not speaking the language is a whole nother level of Crazy, right?

Tarla Makaeff
It is. And I think like, they had so much strength, because like you said, it’s like easier for us today. And we think smaller things are harder. But we have access to world of things like the way we’re doing this podcast interview with Zoom. We have the internet like they really had to hustle on a level that none of us like can even understand today.

Pamela Bardhi
Right? Exactly. And it’s amazing. Because you’re in LA, I’m in Boston, like, we’re on two completely different coasts. And here we are doing the things and it’s just incredible. I mean, and that’s gonna lead me into the conversation about building your online business and marketing, copywriting, and all that stuff. Because truly, like, you’ve built a business, you are helping other people shine in so many beautiful ways, which I find absolutely remarkable. So walk me through. So you started at these marketing agencies in the very beginning. Correct. And then that’s kind of how you dove into the copywriting space.

Tarla Makaeff
Yes. Yeah. So I quickly became a copywriter at that first agency. I like had you know, English major background, I was a great writer. And learned really on the job and was the only copywriter there with my boss. So did pretty much for Hollywood Studios. I did all kinds of things radio, audio promotions, the sweepstakes for them, all kinds of things. I’ve written the back jackets back in the day when we had the VHS tapes for the movies, you know that when you went to Blockbuster? I’ve written the back of some of those. So yeah, I mean, that’s how I got started. And then after that, I went moved to another agency, but just trying to increase my salary. I didn’t start at very high, it was something like $33,000 a year you know like it was my first job.

And I didn’t have experience as a copywriter and then I moved out and it wasn’t much of a big you know, increase some salary. And by the end of working at the second agency, I was making like 5054 55,000 a year, something like that. I’m like, I’m the only writer again, these were boutique agencies. My boss really wasn’t doing the writing, I was the writer, and we were writing for major clients. Like, I’m not getting much kudos here. Like I’m carrying all this. The clients are making millions of dollars, like, I know what I’m doing. I just was dissatisfied with a lot of things like they had this weird thing about. You had to be on time, like, Look, I’m not the most timely person, I’m gonna admit.

But like, you couldn’t be like three minutes late. It was like a big uproar. And you know, now today, there’s so much flexibility with work. You can kind of work when you need to. And it was like an early morning job. I’m not a morning person, I was always staying late to do all the work. You know, I just, I know, I sound like I’m totally complaining, but like, I’m not a corporate person. So I ended up just one day, I had the end of my rope, and I just quit right on the spot, and I didn’t plan on it. I had not taken any portfolio samples, which was so like, not good. I made a phone call a week later.

And then two weeks later, after that, I have my first freelance gig. And in the first year on the way. By the way, before I quit, so on the way driving there and back, I knew I didn’t want to be at this place. But I didn’t know I’d quit that day. So I recorded in my own voice positive affirmations. Like I’m all about that. I don’t know where I got this from this was before the secret. I think the secret came out in 2006. So I’m aging myself now. But I would drive him to work in my car and back and repeat on repeat.
I’m a successful copywriter earning $85,000 a year. Because I’ve gotten this book from Robert Bly, that said how to earn $85,000 a year as a freelance copywriter. So I recorded my own voice. Its most powerful listen to it literally for a few minutes driving to work and back variations of that statement. And then I walked in, you know, quit that one day. Then when I made this call. My first year of work, I got almost close, I got very close to the $85,000 in my first year working 10 hours a week. And I know that was like positive programming. Because the number it was just it was to, like, I manifested that and it was insane. And then the following year was like six figures and the year after that multiple six and became a seven-figure brand from there.

Pamela Bardhi
Wow. That’s crazy. Because like the thing is, you hear people that it’s a seven-figure business. But that like you’ve actually done it, which is incredible. Because sometimes it’s hard with like online platforms to trust. Like, what was actually real about it and who was not right? Like I’m sure you’ve seen it over and over and over. And it’s incredible to see and meet someone who’s actually done it.

Tarla Makaeff
And as we build it, thank you so much. So basically then I wanted to kind of formulate after my mom passed away, and really knowing that life is so precious and short. Like you don’t know when you’re going to be gone. You’re here one day, you’re gone the next like, you really don’t know. So I decided then like, I really don’t want to work to this level because that was a lot of money. But also I was working nonstop. How I decided on and all my business. And so I actually have like online business courses now on how to create an online business. But I also incorporate copywriting obviously, but I actually have a copywriting course coming in the fall too.

So basically, I can teach people how to do what I did, because I feel like I want to give back to people. And I don’t want to just be about oh, I know what to do. But you don’t know what to do. Because there’s so many small business owners online that like everybody needs copy any business. But you need the emails, you need the sales pages, you need the Facebook ads, you need everything. And so why not? Why not learn it? Because if frankly most of them cannot afford me because if they hire a copywriter who has any experience, it’s gonna be expensive. This is not affordable for small business owners, you know what I mean?

Pamela Bardhi
Absolutely. And that’s the hard part is like you see these, these brands that are doing multiple, six figures a month and like cranking out like that. But it’s like the average business owner doesn’t have the money to pay to get something like a launch like that or a campaign like that. They don’t have the funds, you know?

Tarla Makaeff
Yeah, that’s also something that like my copywriting experience is working mostly for big brands, they have big budgets. So they have endless budgets almost sometimes, but not when you’re not. When you’re online and then I do see people hiring copywriters who basically have no experience. They’ve been doing this for a year and obviously, we all start somewhere but like you don’t know what to anticipate. Or what can happen or how to make things really work if you only have been doing this for like a year. And so I’ve done copywriting for 13 years with clients I’ve done, you know, the story four or five years online. So, Joe Yeah, it adds up. And so I just, you know, I know copy well.

Pamela Bardhi
That’s incredible. So going from basically full-time jobs to starting your own business, like, what were some of the challenges in the beginning? Because obviously, you’re like, it’s a whole different realm when you’re starting your own business. In this game. I mean, luckily, you were doing it was like the same industry that you were in pre previous to, and kind of just transferring the skills over. But I’m just interested, like, what was kind of like, what did your startup days look like until you really got a hang of everything?

Tarla Makaeff
Yeah, well, I think for the copywriting, like leaving that job, like that was such an easy transition. And I was actually, okay. A lot of entrepreneurs don’t want to say this, because I think it’s an ego thing. But like, you’ve seen comments online, where people are like, Oh, you were lucky. Entrepreneurs, like, No, it was all my hard work, there’s no luck involved. I’m gonna be the one entrepreneur that says, there’s always a small element of luck. Of course, it’s like tonnes of hard work. But there’s always that teeny, little guiding star. And I did have luck, I’m not going to lie and say, I did it, the fact that I left a car, you know, full-time work.

And I worked two weeks later and made 85 grand in my first year as a fabricator working 10 hours a week. I mean, come on, there was a little bit of luck there. I’m a great writer. And I don’t deny that. But I’m saying like, I think like different people have different experiences. So I do feel like I was blessed with a little bit of luck. That doesn’t mean other people can’t do it. I think on my business coming at this, this was much harder, surprisingly. I’m like what you know, because you would think it wouldn’t be especially with my background.

But there’s so much competition online, now everybody’s selling something, you’re being hit in all directions. You go on the newsfeed and all of a sudden, there’s a million ads. And there’s people like you said, who are really big players who can outshine you because they’re making like six figures a month. So they have these huge ad budgets. But I also say that there’s no one like you in the entire world, you have unique DNA, there’s something about you that people are going to love. And there’s, there’s no one like you on the planet.

So that is your superpower that is your differentiating factor. And so use that as much as possible, you know, I’d like tell people to really showcase their personal story online. Because that is one thing that will distinguish you from everyone else. And people will either reverberate with your energy and like you or they won’t like you, and that’s fine. If they don’t like you, they’re not for you.

Pamela Bardhi
I love that I was just about to ask you like, what are some tips in your world? You know, when it comes to like copywriting and branding and all the stuff? What should entrepreneurs really be paying attention to? ensuring their story?

Tarla Makaeff
Yeah, I think an important thing is that a lot of people online tend to think that they’re sharing their story or sharing their life. When they share these light posts that are kind of like, I love the ocean, I love the color purple, I like to take my dog to the dog park. Those are good posts to like, you should have a mix of those. But that is not sharing your personal story that’s not getting deep. Actually, most of my peers, I feel like very few people do this. Like I’m one of the few people there are a bunch of people course on Instagram on YouTube that are doing this. But I feel like I see less often than not, maybe with small business owners. And the thing is people need to know that there’s a real person behind the product or service.

So that you’re not some you have to put show your face. And you should at the beginning, be on live video a lot. You should always be unlikely to a lot but it gets harder to get busier. But you should be on my way a lot should be posting selfies. And you should be telling your personal story about your life, any trials, and tribulations. You should end it on a positive note something inspirational. It’s not a Debbie Downer, you’re not doing this for cell therapy. This is not to put all your baggage out there. But it’s to help other people know that they can get through things. So you’re making an impact.

And if people say well, what does that have to even do with my business that has absolutely nothing to do with my business? Yes, it does. Because you’re a personal brand. People want to know the person like every major company has a mission. Apple has a mission, you know, think about all the different companies that have mission. So that is what I would advise someone. Don’t be scared to show your vulnerabilities take baby steps doing it. But don’t be scared to show who you are. Because for me, if you have a platform, no matter if you have three followers or you have 3 million, you have somebody listening to you. I feel like you should use it for good and something greater than just business

Pamela Bardhi
100% 100,000% And I love that you mentioned that just to really just showcase really your authenticity through your brand. Because there is nobody like you out there, which is incredible. You mentioned a couple of things that you were kind of diving into the spiritual realms when it comes to this. That really intrigues me because I have a whole aspect of what I do that integrates the business and spiritual realms. So talk to me a little bit about your spiritual journey and kind of how that’s manifested. And where things are at now, in respect to your business as well, because I really believe like business is a spiritual game. That’s just the name of it.

Tarla Makaeff
Yes. I love that. I’ve never heard that before.

Pamela Bardhi
Tony Robbins, said it wasn’t it like should be to the court because it’s so true. Yeah.

Tarla Makaeff
I didn’t know he said that. Well, speaking of that, I’m actually in Tony Robbins right now to become a master coach. So I’m in his year-and-a-half-long training. So that is, I’m already certified as a life coach in other programs, but I’m in that so it’s funny that you mentioned him. I’m actually in a hypnotherapy school, too, with Marissa Pierre, or RTT. And, again, people might be like, what does this have to do with business? But the evolution of that, really, is that my mom was really religious, like, I’m Catholic. It’s actually been really painful for me to go to church, just because it reminds me my mom and the songs.

You know, the songs can be emotional, and I’m like, No, I don’t want to be bawling in church. But I’ve always had a special tie to God, you know, everyone’s entitled to their beliefs. That’s what I believe in God and Jesus. So I just feel like, there’s a purpose for your life on Earth. And it has to be greater than just us. And we can’t be selfish. It has to be about other people. So I admire people that are always getting back. And I started the life coaching certification, actually, in the fall of 2020. During the pandemic, I was always interested in life coaching. I’ve always been someone to talk to friends and like, give advice. Now I know, like life coaching is not giving advice. It’s helping someone come to their own insights and conclusions.

But I was just always that supportive person, something I was interested in. So I started taking, getting involved in certifications. Actually, the first one I got was on forgiveness. And I intentionally looked into that, because I wanted to forgive the family, the extended family that wasn’t there for us when my mom was dying. So I went through that for that reason. And that is part of what I bring to people now with the self-love coaching component. Because I really believe that business is 80% mindset. But it’s deeper than mindset because people will say, Oh, just be positive, just think positive thoughts.

Then other people struggle with that, well, why did they struggle with that, because they have emotional blocks. And I truly believe that the biggest block is self-love. That often has to do with forgiving yourself for something mistake, you made. Something that you’re humiliated about something that you feel guilty about, or was forgiving another person. We all have someone on the face of the planet that we could forget either now or in the past. Or something, could be something minor, it could be a huge betrayal. And just letting go of that emotional junk basically leaves a pathway for you then to have the right mindset to then manifest.

Pamela Bardhi
Yes, absolutely. Well, a lot of people are like, you know, exactly what you said, you’re like, how does this tie into business? And how does this and it’s like, it’s actually everything? It’s the foundation? Yes, your business a period like that? There is no, like, if you’re not aligned. mind body and spirit. There’s absolutely no way your business will be successful. The most successful entrepreneurs that I know, are in alignment. And the ones that aren’t, can only get so far, and then stops.

Tarla Makaeff
True. Yeah, so true. And I think, I think like a lot of people look at this later in life. Like they’re struggling, and then they go, Oh, well, maybe I need a quart of self-development course. I’ll go to like, like you said, a Tony Robbins, Alisha, or something. Or maybe they’ve done well. Then they add that on at the end. They have more spiritual growth. But a lot of people don’t incorporate this from the get-go. And then they struggle, and then they wonder why.

And it’s because like, we all have trauma, no matter who you are somewhere in your life. If you’ve walked down this earth, there has been some kind of trauma from someone somewhere somehow. So if we don’t release that and process those emotions, they’re held in our bodies. That’s why we have tight necks or sore shoulders. And you know, those are centers for trauma. And so, yeah, you’ve got to release that in order to be able to have like a clear channel to focus on your business.

What Would Tarla Older Self Tell His Younger Self?

Pamela Bardhi
Yeah, absolutely. 100% Thank you so much for sharing that. So I think it’s a super important thing. And a lot of people kind of discount that. It’s like, yeah, you know, let me write your amazing sales copy and let me do this and let me do this. And then They don’t like fact, there’s a whole nother layer when it comes to business success. Which is the spiritual realms and the alignment of like who you are. Because if you can’t, if energy can flow through you, abundance can flow through you.

It’s not going to you’re not going through your business because you are your business right at the end of the day. So I love that you incorporate kind of all of that, in your training, that’s amazing. And I love that you’re helping small business owners do that as well. That’s incredible. So questions for you like, based on everything, all your life experiences, and all the things that you’re doing now? What would your older self tell your younger self based on what you know, now?

Tarla Makaeff
That is so crazy that you asked me that question. Because literally, I just wrote a voice did a voice recording with Voice Memo app, I wrote my younger self, a love letter. And I said love letter to T people call me tea, I call myself tea. And I literally just did that two days ago. So it’s so crazy to you ask that, um, I would tell myself and anyone listening, I would definitely encourage you to write this letter to yourself too. Like, record it. I listen to this every day. Because basically, it’s we’re pumping myself that, you know that despite being sweet and shy. Basically taken advantage of by little kids.

I developed my voice and I got over that, and now I’m using that voice to impact other people, and that’s what I would tell myself. And also I like in those letters to kind of tell yourself things that haven’t come to fruition yet. But I will and like anything that you want to have come to fruition too. Normally I say I am but in this, I’m like your sweet little girl, you’re doing this. But you’re going to do this, and then, later on, this is gonna happen too. Like and so it was just I love I listened to it every day because it really does.
Like, I listened to self-hypnosis. That’s how I went into the whole hypnotherapy thing. It really is. I really believe everyone should do this. You have to positively program your mind on a daily because there’s negativity and politics in the news. Everywhere you turn, people are now fighting and arguing. And that somehow that’s unconsciously programmed you to think negatively. Like you may not think it does, but it does right.

And so whatever you can do to put positive thoughts in your mind like day and night I listened to the stuff during my sleep. I listen to its analysis all night when I’m sleeping. Because there are portions of your sleep. I think I forget if it’s during REM I noticed portions where you are consciously aware there’s other portions. Maybe it’s REM that you’re not? I don’t know. But I’m like it can’t hurt, right? I’m just gonna listen to it all night long. That’s what I do.

Pamela Bardhi
I love that. You mentioned your like, positive affirmations are my jam. Yeah, that’s incredible. I love that. I absolutely love that. And for any entrepreneur who’s listening, what would be your best entrepreneurship, advice to them?

Tarla Makaeff
Well, gosh, I would say have a lot of patience. Don’t expect things to happen overnight. I would say obviously, to stick with it don’t give up. Because right, as you’re about to give up great things, are meant to happen. Also know that these overnight success stories, which I kind of shared earlier about myself. Like, that kind of copywriting aspect was a little bit of an overnight thing. And that doesn’t happen every day. So don’t look to those people look to other people who’ve actually like struggled more first. Because every entrepreneur on the planet really almost has. And certainly the whole online business thing has been a journey for me.

That’s not like you come online, you put up a landing page, and then you have a million subscribers on your email list. So that’s what I would say just you know, have the patience. Keep going. Don’t give up. Be around supportive community. Find people in Facebook groups, I want to do what you do. Do not listen to family, friends who tell you you’re crazy, don’t do it, blah, blah, blah, you know, they’re there.

But don’t listen to the haters online. Also, don’t listen to trolls. Hurt people hurt people, they just you know, have nothing else to do with their time and they don’t feel good about themselves. Therefore they’re projecting onto you. It’s a way of making them feel one of 26 human needs significance. By getting attention for being you know, rude online, ignore them, and just do your thing. Like you do whatever’s in your heart. You know, what you’re meant to do. Don’t let anyone anything stop you.

Pamela Bardhi
I love that. That’s amazing. And now so like in the next six to 12 months. You mentioned that you’re doing these training and some of these master classes and things like this. Now, what’s going on in the next six to 12 months in your world what are you up to?

Tarla Makaeff
I mentioned this master coach program that goes through the end of next year with Tony Robbins. That’s to help me become better as a life coach. So I can be the best life coach for other people, for clients. And then I’m hypnotherapy is six to 12-month program. So I’m hoping I can get through that in six months because I cannot wait to hypnotize people. Yeah, I truly experienced an amazing session from a graduate. Well, we practice we get free hypnotherapy because we’re in the school. Yeah, it was the most life-changing thing I’ve ever done. I’ve done all forms of therapy from EMDR to well, this is not therapy, but like direct neurofeedback, I’ve tried everything. And I have to say RTT is rapid and transformational. It was amazing.

I can’t wait to do that with people to help people release their traumas even faster combined with the coaching. Then I’m coming out with my copywriting course in fall. So that is literally going to be for hip modern feminine copy. You know, I was trained the traditional way because I’ve been in this many years. So like with you know, copywriting greats, you know, I learned that kind of style. And that is, yeah, but I hope to get to modernize it a bit and make a course that people love so that they can start writing their own copy. And they don’t have to hire an expensive pro like me, even though I love getting work. But, you know, I think it’s it’s best for small business owners so they can really empower themselves.

Pamela Bardhi
Absolutely love Trello thank you so much for sharing that. Like I just can’t wait to see what you do in the next six to 12 months. Like you just seem to be like upping your game and just going further and faster and helping more people through like, you know, launching this course. And I can’t wait to see all of that. Now you gotta let everyone know where to find you and your awesomeness.

Tarla Makaeff
Oh, yeah, thank you. Yeah, if you go to my website, tarlamakaeff.com. There is currently a free mini-course. So it’s 15 minutes long, if you go to my there’s like tabs on the side, if you go down the tabs, it says free gifts, click on that it’s there. And then soon I can’t say exactly when and I don’t know if this is going to air. But I will have also a self-love free mini course. So you can kind of see when I’m teaching myself love and also learn about like how to present best on social media actually, that your personal story.

Pamela Bardhi
That’s amazing. You’re such a rockstar, tireless. Seriously, thank you so much for being here today. And just like sharing your beautiful energy, your life experiences, tips on copy. And all the things so thank you so so much for being here today. I really, really appreciate you.

Tarla Makaeff
Thank you so much for having me. I appreciate you too. It’s been amazing.

Pamela Bardhi
Thank you so much. You’re incredible Tarla, truly.

Tarla Makaeff
Thank You