Wayne Altman Shares His Incredible Journey to Success

Kevin Harrington
Hi, I’m Kevin Harrington, an original shark from the hit television show Shark Tank.and you’re listening to the underdog podcast

Pamela Bardhi
Hello, everyone, and welcome to the underdog Podcast. Today I have an amazing guest here with me Wayne, how are you my friend?

Wayne Altman
I am fantastic. I’m really thank you for having me.

Pamela Bardhi
Oh my goodness, thank you so much for being here. We were just on the pre call. And I’m already laughing and I can’t wait to get into your stuff in all your amazing businesses. and everything that you’ve built is just so fascinating.

And like, I just can’t wait to get into all of it. And you know, when I started off my show. I always talk about this as the most loaded question that I’ll ask you and then we’ll dive deeper. But know what inspired you on your journey to where you are today. When?

Wayne Altman
Well, right now I draw my inspiration from my wife and my girls, my daughters. I have three daughters, a wife that I absolutely love for or simple as the kids say. I am massively in love with this woman. Most of my inspiration comes from that I enjoy helping people

Pamela Bardhi
love that way. And I love that now like as a kid, what did what did you want to be when you grew up?

Wayne Altman
A stuntman? I wanted to be a stuntman, I remember. so we were talking about this the other day with a buddy of mine. I wanted to be a Hollywood stunt man flying through the air getting into bar fights. That’s what I wanted to be. Okay, my older self the way I feel right now. It feels like I had 50 years of that. So you know, it’s almost Mission Accomplished stuff, man.

Pamela Bardhi
inspired God?

Wayne Altman
I just thought that that was a cool job. One day you’re riding horses. Which I did that a lot as a kid. The next day you’re, you know, racing cars. I just thought of a Hollywood stuntman and people filmed you doing it. You know? as a kid, I used to do crazy stuff and want to film it kind of like the Jackass guys or something. But that’s what you asked me. That’s what I wanted to do. didn’t really know where I would end up. I just knew that man was a stunt man. Sounds like a very good time.

Pamela Bardhi
Absolutely. It does sound like a good

Wayne Altman
until you end up broken bones. And you know, there’s a downside to it. I’m sure.

Pamela Bardhi
I love that way. And like walk me through your childhood a little bit like Where’d you grow up?

Wayne Altman
I was born in La Mirada, California, near Anaheim. My third birthday. My parents had the good sense. And God gave me the grace. We moved to Texas. cuttin shoot Texas. CUTNS H O T. Not even and okay. So deep in East Texas is a town called cutting shoot. shout out to cut and shoot. And that’s where I grew up. Outdoors. You know what I mean? Every day it was hot. But it was a very good, you know, childhood

Pamela Bardhi
I didn’t even know that was a place.

Wayne Altman
Yeah, cutting shoot has a Miss America. And a heavyweight boxing champion from a town of at the time was 800 people. Whoa, yeah. Very small town. 60 miles north of Houston. And about five or six miles east of Conroe. A town called Conroe. Texas. Yeah, it’s on the map. Shoot Texas.

Pamela Bardhi
I’d never heard that. Oh, my goodness. And how long did you grew up there when

Wayne Altman
so I went to cooking school and then went into the army. graduated high school at Conroe High School. and then went to cooking school and joined the army. I left at 2728. So I spent a good, you know, 2025 years cutting shoots and still go back. I have friends there today. So I still go back at least once or twice a year. absolutely love it. That’s amazing.

Pamela Bardhi
So you mentioned cooking school. What inspired that?

Wayne Altman
So okay, that’s very interesting. So when I was in high school, I was not a very good student. Most courses, I was not a very good student. And so in order to get a better grade, I went into a home economics class. And my father was furious. not because HOMAG my dad was a very good cook that was not about that.

He rightfully thought you’re getting in that class for the girls. It’s going to be you and a bunch of girls. And I have to admit he was correct. He was absolutely correct about that. However, it exposed me to something I absolutely love and that’s cooking. And one of the reasons I went to cooking school is a love for cooking.

the reason that I left Cooking School was because I love cooking. So, you know, imagine that. But yeah, so I went to cooking school for a couple years. and I didn’t like people sweating in my food and screaming at me. You know what I mean? You’re there, you’re cooking and people coming by. and they’re putting their fingers in your food and they’re drunk. they’re trying to instruct you, but it’s just a pain.

And I lost my temper one day and went, what, heck with this. I’m going to join the army so that I’ll get less of this in the army. And when I went into the Army, it’s true. This is a true story. I was in basic training, you know, everybody sees what basic training is like. I don’t know if you’ve had any military experience.

Everybody knows what basic training is like? Well, there was a show called Gomer Pile. Okay. And Gomer was, you know, had such a hard life. There’s always a happy dude. Well, that was me in basic training. I was so glad to be out of that kitchen. that basic training in the army, they struggled to put me under stress.

Pamela Bardhi
Wow. Yeah, I did not know cooking school was so intense.

Wayne Altman
Look, now the military, right in a wartime situation, that stress, right. but manufacturing stress when you don’t need to do that. Even now I’ve worked in restaurants, many times in busy, busy restaurants. And even under the busiest you could make a restaurant. You don’t have to take it to that degree. It’s ridiculous. And it’s punitive.

And it was just not for me. I was paying for this. I’m paying you to teach me to cook. I’m not paying you to abuse me and my roommate started a very bad drug addiction from that. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. So I said, we’re gonna look, I’m either gonna do this, or I’m gonna get out of here. And I punched out like Maverick. you know, I mean, that was, like, I’m out of here. See you

Pamela Bardhi
later, alligator. Oh, my goodness. Oh, my goodness. Uh, you went into the army? And then after that, like, what was the first thing you did when you come back?

Wayne Altman
Yeah, So it’s funny. So I got out of the military with GI Bill and college fund money. that I had put into the system in the military out of my check. so I could then go to college. I had also gone to school for two years at the University of Heidelberg. and the University of Mannheim, while I was stationed in Germany. I learned a language in order to go to this school. these two schools loved it.

I loved every minute of being in the Army. even the things that were really not so awesome. I still respected it. And if you know what I mean, I had that feeling of service. And it was great. Okay, we elected Bill Clinton as the president. This is how far back it goes. he decided we’re going to downsize the military.

Maybe he was right. I don’t know. But I was one of those people. That is when they came to me and said. Hey, would you like to take some money and get out of the Army? I was like, Yeah, you don’t want me. and you want to give me money to get out? I’m your Huckleberry. Okay, I’m out. So I went to college.

But keep in mind, I was a 24 Desert Storm veteran. And everybody that I was in school with is 18. And still wet behind the ears still have note. They had no clue what they’re doing. That was the most irritating place I’d ever been in my life. Forget Cooking School, cooking school was a cakewalk compared to going to a liberal University.

They didn’t want to take any of my classes that I had already taken. So I was going from being a junior in college to back starting over and being a freshman. Oh my god. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And I was like, look, there’s only so much you can expect me to take. so I went into the mortgage business and kills it. absolutely killed it. We talked about it before. I’ve written six books.

Pamela Bardhi
That’s amazing in the lending space now mostly residential.

Wayne Altman
So I went to work for a company called Beneficial and they did consumer type lending, right. And they wanted to get into home equity in Texas there was no home equity. So the way that I am they came to me and said. Hey, look, we need help passing home equity in Texas.

And I’m a natural i One of the things that I’ve been gifted with. is being able to talk to people and kind of you know simplifying a message. getting winning people to my side. So I did that. I went for about two and a half years to the Texas Legislature. helping to pass home equity in the state of Texas Much to the chagrin of my father again.

My dad was like, very against this very old school. and later come to realise, okay, look, you own the home. you should be able to use it in that way. But at the time, it was very stressful on our relationship. And then once I did that and realised how little this company was going to pay Amy. compared to other people in the mortgage business.

I started my own mortgage company, Midway mortgage. I was like, Look, I can do this and learned very quickly what I needed to do. to accomplish owning your own mortgage company and being responsible for that anyway. So I spent a great portion of my life in the mortgage business. I loved it up until the mortgage crash. Hmm.

When I realised what we had done or what had been done. I realised I looked at my wife, we were married at the time, and I had a very good job. I looked at my wife, I went, Look, this is not me, I can’t do this. You know, there’s a payment option loan, you know. putting everyone no matter who they were into the same lending device knew no, no, no, no. That’s why you have a toolbox.

That’s why you have different loans. I couldn’t do it. So I went off on my own and started doing SEO. That’s my third book when bad credit happens to good people. That’s when that came about. My anger comes out in the mortgage business. And I was trying to teach people about their credit. Because in America, we don’t get that education. It’s against the law.

Again, there’s actually a law stating you cannot have credit classes in high school or college. Yeah, no. That’s why you don’t have those classes. or that information is not being taught. And to me, it’s more important than sex ed, sex. most people can figure that out, drive in and everything’s cool.

But credit, that’s hard. That’s harder to figure out. You know, what to do, what not to do. how to remedy certain situations, what not to get into to begin with. so that when bad credit happens to good people. that really at the time was my opus, I love that book.

Pamela Bardhi
I love it. No, it’s so true. I didn’t know it. First off, I didn’t know there was a lot. So that is shocking.

Wayne Altman
Yeah, it’s part of the Fair Credit Act. It’s a good law. Basically, what we did was give up certain things, meaning credit education. but a lot of the bankruptcy type legislation that help people. when they have gotten themselves into a lot of trouble. we gained that in the law.

So it’s not 100% bad law. It’s just that if you can’t teach someone when they’re walking on a university about credit. and you still let Visa, MasterCard, American Express all be on campus. just waiting for your bundle of joy to show up. That to me is not capitalism. You know, that’s bad news. That is a very bad dynamic, which we’re here now.

Now, look, I tell parents all the time. if you have had to have learned some things about credit during your life. If you don’t arm your children with that knowledge. that’s even more irresponsible than not telling them where babies come from. where babies come from is a 15 minute conversation if you get into detail.

Okay? So, credit, on the other hand, how to buy a car, how to buy a home. what you need to do to start out and get your start on your own credit. These are questions that I realised that most parents didn’t know the answer to. to begin with the baby question, they figured that out. but they never got a handle on how to operate on their credit.

And so that, look, when I see a problem, I try to solve it. Kind of like vanilla ice that way I figured you would get that. So the same with melody clouds. What I’m doing now I have tinnitus, tinnitus. Some people call tinnitus, ringing in the ear. It drives me absolutely insane sometimes.

And when I was presented with binaural beats. and I could hear silence again. I was like, Okay, I gotta bring this to other people. This is magic. This is crazy. And so that’s why we have melody clouds now.

Pamela Bardhi
That’s amazing. Did you go into that after the mortgage business? Oh, yeah.

Wayne Altman
Yeah, yeah, it’s matter of fact, Melody Cloud has been around for about nine months. And we have 300,000 files you are talking about? It’s translated into 210 languages. And we’re in about 146 countries right now. Because there’s a lot of interest in solfeggio and binaural beats.

Pamela Bardhi
Yeah, and so So Wayne, this stuff fascinates me because I listen to binaural beats. I mean, to say that you know, all the different brainwaves and stuff. but to those who are listening that are like. what is this, what’s like an entry level thing for that like what is binaural beats?

Wayne Altman
simple to explain. So melody clouds, our tagline is take control of your mood. Okay, take control of your mood. If you’re angry and you don’t want to be, we got something for you. If you’ve suffered grief, I can block grief with this. Okay? Let me explain to Yes, I’m explaining to you how this works.

Everyone knows that we have used music, you know. before history, we use it to communicate. If we’re going to war, you hear the drums were common. You hear the chanting, that’s music, and it’s a warning. and we’re common. Or even silent movies. silent movies weren’t silent.

There was someone in the front playing a piano. and telling you how to feel about the images that you see on the screen in the history of moviemaking. There are 17 movies with no soundtrack. Think about that. There are millions of movies out there. all of which had music attached to them.

One of them is Wall-E. Do you remember that movie? Wall-E, the little robot? Yeah, there was no dialogue in that movie for an hour and 40 minutes. Oh my god, how do you get a four year old to sit quietly. and watch a basically silent movie of this little robot. and they’ll laugh and they’ll cry.

And they’ll giggle because that music helps them understand what’s going on on the screen. And here’s how to feel about it. So with that knowing music controls our emotions and can happen manipulate. how we feel right there with no woowoo stuff whatsoever. You understand, okay, now I get what you’re doing here.

Okay, but now let’s add in binaural beats, our brains are electrical. That’s how signals are sent. And that’s how emotions are developed by these frequencies. Okay, you can measure them with an EEG brainwaves. Okay, at 432 megahertz if I introduce and get your brain synchronised with 432 hertz.

you will go to sleep and you will go to sleep and the deepest sleep you’ve ever had. It is the Laureus sleep. So for people that are, I tell people if you’re having trouble sleeping. and you would rather not take a pill to get there, try binaural beats. It’s one frequency in one ear, another frequency in the other ear.

your brain then makes up the difference in a binaural beat. Wow. So you’re listening to a track of music that has one ear. a frequency and the other ear, another different frequency. And your brain recognises that and rather than be confused, creates its own frequency. And that frequency is 936 430 to 741. All of these frequencies do something different.

Pamela Bardhi
I love and this is all science weighing, like

Wayne Altman
100%. And here’s how I know. Here’s how I was convinced because not every frequency does the same thing to every single person. And why is that important? The reason it’s important is because when you go to the doctor. the medication he prescribes to you does not work. What do you do? You go to a different medication. His last patient, the little blue pill worked wonders, it was great, it’s fine.

But on you it did nothing. Or your cholesterol or your blood pressure didn’t move with the last medica Okay. we have another one for you. Same exact principle here we are all different. We were created differently by every single person. So therefore, if I gave you one frequency and it did the same thing. and every single person snake oil right well. there’s no way that everything is going to work the same way on everyone. Do you like avocados?

Pamela Bardhi
I do. Like avocados.

Wayne Altman
I hate them, I absolutely abhor avocados. The avocados are from Satan. And I do not like avocados. I don’t like guacamole. Okay, so for me, avocados are poison from the pit of hell, okay. But you find them delicious, and we’ll put them in a salad. You know, not me. So we’re all I say that to be funny. But look, we’re all very different human beings. solfeggio that’s a little bit different. And this is where it gets fun.

In the 11th century, Guido de reso. He was an Italian monk. He made the observation that people can recognise when things are out of tune or out of sync. Do you play a musical instrument? I used to be a DJ. So I love music, too. I can’t play it, I can’t sing. But I absolutely love music right now. I talk to people all the time, they play guitars, they play all kinds of musical instruments.

the one and I don’t. the one thing we share is the ability to tell when that instrument is out of tune. So if you’re playing a piano, and there’s a bad note there. you and I will both recognise it. Practically everybody on the planet will know when you’re singing off key. keep it to yourself. You see what I mean? So you have this ability, that solfeggio.

that ability to know when things are out of vibration out of tune? That is significant, because you can use that to bring someone back to a harmonious mood. or a better state of being. Right. Now, that’s a little more woowoo. But, you know, it really makes a lot of sense.

Pamela Bardhi
Have you heard of Dr. Tennant?

Wayne Altman
That name does sound familiar to me that

Pamela Bardhi
an institute he has the bio modulator. and so his machine literally sends out frequencies throughout your body. One of them is the soul of IDEO. And he uses all different types of Yeah, it’s incredible. He’s a medical doctor. He’s been a medical doctor for 40 plus years. He’s over in Irving, Texas. Yeah,

Wayne Altman
this science has been around for a very, very long time, it is very well studied. Now, the reason that you don’t hear as much about it. because it doesn’t come in a pill. It doesn’t come in a syrup. It doesn’t I don’t see commercials on TV. Do you suffer from blah, blah, whatever? Yep, it’s much harder for people who want to do things a little more than that.

Look, I am not against medication. I urge people to take your damn medication. Okay, some of you need to be medicated even more than you already are. I’m all for taking your medication. But what I’m saying to you is when someone comes to me. and says that in order to go to sleep, they take Benadryl, they take Nyquil.

And I think of the liver damage and the constant use. it screams it on the packaging, don’t use this for that. But yet they are subjected to that. I knew at that point, I needed to stand up and go. Well, well, there is a better way. And I already know what that is.

In my case, it was binaural beats for my tinnitus or tinnitus. I got a screeching in my ear that never ever ever goes away. unless I am listening to a particular track with binaural beats in it. And then I hear silence. And that to me is I freak out. I really get emotional when I know, at night, I’ll put on some soft headphones. I’ll listen to that and go to sleep. Yeah,

Pamela Bardhi
amazing gift. You mean, what science can do. I mean, from going through springing constantly through tinnitus. and then to be able to just listen to one type of music. then it just completely suits and it’s like, there’s no pill, there’s no nothing. I mean, it’s just there. And like, this is incredible. because this is one of your one of your businesses now.

Wayne Altman
yeah, melody clouds. I’m very proud of it.

Pamela Bardhi
Well, how cool is that? Like over 210 languages? You said? Yeah,

Wayne Altman
yep. And that was pretty easy. I mean, with the technology that we have, right now. when I built the website, if someone came to me and said. where are you planning on marketing this and I’m like, No. that I would be easier for me to tell you where it’s not going to go. I hit one button.

And it immediately started translating this website into other languages. languages that I don’t speak. So then I would have to come in and make sure that it made sense in those languages. And we’re not, we’re still not through that process. But with AI being what it is, I can now type in and say, Hey, translate this into French. translate this into Farsi.

and I will be honest with you, when you think of the numbers. when you think of the you know. look, I live in an area with several 100,000 People now. Rancho Cucamonga is a beautiful place and there’s a tonne of people around me all the time.

But to know that simultaneously to talking to my neighbours. I can also be talking to someone in Qatar. I can talk to someone in Dublin, Ireland. that really opens up the world to something like this. and you get to help a lot more people.

Pamela Bardhi
Absolutely. And the thing is it’s a universal you can reach anybody anywhere. and anybody can do it according to mood. that’s the thing that fascinates me. So like, you know, take charge of your mood. Okay, well, like what mood are you in and then like the different frequency See that? Walk me through some of the moods that you have on melody clouds.

Wayne Altman
Well, let me explain to you this way. Okay? Because I get this question a lot. take charge of your mood. Well, look, what do you do when you’re sad? When do you want to go get a good workout in? You go to the gym, and you bring with you a Walkman or not a Walkman.

but you bring your iPod or your phone or whatever. and you have a playlist. Of workout music and it didn’t Tchaikovsky. It isn’t a country. It’s, you know, hard rock. If you’re trying to get a pump, you go. And that’s what you’re working out to.

Pamela Bardhi
right.

Wayne Altman
Let’s say that you and I were taking a walk and I was going down the street. we’re going to grab a bite to eat. I said before we do. I want to stop into the church, I want to stop there’s a church I want to stop in. And there’s an organist and they are playing a very slow. contemplative dirge without looking at one another. we would not lower your voice be reverential.

This is not the place for a lot of cackling and a lot. We’re here we’re worshipful, okay. So, immediately that music cued us in and changed our mood. And now, we were just having a great time. but now we’re more contemplative. Okay, you say, alright, well, what’s good for the goose. This is not my jam lane. But what’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

We’re going across the street to my church. I want to introduce you to my church. So you go to a Southern Baptist Church playing praise music. Now, same activity, okay, both worshipping. but we walk into that church, everybody’s got their hands over their heads. and they’re singing, praise music, and you immediately are uplifted.

Mm hmm. 99.9% of us are going to be uplifted and almost euphoric. Within a few minutes of listening to that music. It happens every single time. And it’s the very reason we invented music to begin with. warring tribes would beat on drums and call out to the other tribe warning them. We’re about to come over there and whip y’all.

So, you know, just be ready. And they it was meant to intimidate it was meant to scare the other tribe. and enrage its own. So we use this to treat PTSD. We use this to the guided meditations. It’s not just all music. There are guided meditations to help with weight loss to help with a certain phobias. One of the things I’m most proud of is you remember Aesop’s Fables.

Yes, yes. Okay. Very good lessons of life. ESOP was a man way, way, way before his time. That’s why he’s lasted. The story of ESOP is always fascinated me. So, and I enjoyed those stories. A very good friend of mine, Gary Meyer is a Hall of Fame. He’s in the Radio Hall of Fame. He’s a radio announcer, a DJ on the East Coast. Very great guy love him.

And so I asked him to voice all 138, Aesop’s Fables. And he is killing it. He’s killing it. So we’ve got all of these Aesop’s Fables for your kids. So you can teach them, you know, the donkey and the lion skin. all of these great stories that we grew up knowing. And I personally believe that if you reintroduce them. kids will start to understand how to treat one another better.

Pamela Bardhi
Mm hmm. Absolutely. I love that. I love it that’s getting integrated into that too. It’s absolutely wow,

Wayne Altman
I got 17,000 audiobooks. Right now I’m about to add another 30,000. So if some people I found like to read, so I put in books. but other people like being read to, you know, you’re on a long drive. you don’t want to listen to the radio. Maybe music is not your jam right now. Okay, so we’re about relaxation. How do you relax? Oh, okay.

Well, you like a good story. Let me tell you this one. And so there are 17,000 audio books on there now. all professional quality, all the classics. Tom Sawyer, you ever listen to Tom Sawyer in German? No. It is awesome. It is awesome. Now, I don’t understand a whole lot of German anymore, but it sounds very angry. It is a great it is so much fun to listen to certain things and other languages. things that you recognise that you know, so we have that. Yeah,

Pamela Bardhi
absolutely. I love that Wayne, and like you filled out like a whole bunch of different businesses, which is super excited. I know melody cloud is like the pride and joy and what you know what’s, yeah,

Wayne Altman
that’s what has my attention right now. Right? COVID really through everyone. For a loop, and I worked for a luggage company. I told you I went into SEO search engine optimization. helping companies get to the top of search. And when COVID hit, I worked for a luggage company in Pomona. And travel stopped. No one knew when it would pick back up.

I mean, there was not a plane, no, no planes flew. No, no one was travelling anywhere we were in a pandemic. And so they pivoted, they had to pivot. And when they did, basically their answer to this is the scale back scale back scale back. I made it through several rounds of layoffs.

But as you know, sometimes I told my wife. I’m like, hey, I need to feather a nest. I need to figure out where I’m going. Because this is not looking good. No one knows when this is going to end. So I remember the conversation that I had with a very good friend of mine.

so I started other businesses, you know. I started other businesses to kind of, you know, bridge that gap. And very quickly, fortunately, very quickly, we were able to get them to scale. and actually start making an income again. a lot of people were not as you know. they were not as fortunate, you know? Wow.

Pamela Bardhi
Yeah, I mean, in COVID. So many people have tried different things, you know what I mean? Like it’s been an awakening. new businesses have formed, like different things have happened. And it’s just so fascinating as you build out 14 different businesses. which is so fascinating. And I feel good before this call that it was like, in the adult space. So we’ll let everybody wonder what that is.

Wayne Altman
it’s easy to find, easy to find, I mean, if that’s your thing. you know, I am, believe me, I’m not shy about it. I just, you know, we’re gonna look, when this country was founded. I’m a big fan of USA, okay, I’m a big fan of what we’ve got going on here. It pains me to see other people maybe not appreciate what they have as much.

When we started this country, 90% of the people worked for themselves. 10% worked for others. In the mid 80s, that number had completely flipped. And 10% owned their own business, and 90% worked for others.

And everyone is walking around wringing their hands, wondering why the rich get richer. and the poor get poor, and there’s this gap between the two. Are you insane? How would there not be a gap. if you’ve made it your destiny, to work for others, and not work for yourself? That’s what you should expect.

I mean that with love, there’s nothing wrong with that. It is not evil or bad. If I could inspire just a few people to be the creator, be the person that they are. Take that risk, there is risk. But I tell you, Look, I failed and failed and failed and failed and failed and failed.

This was not an overnight, we were talking about, you know, overnight success. Are you kidding me? That’s one long night was a lot of failure in all of this. So if you can’t stomach that you need to do need to work for others. But if you can, if you think you’re, you know, tough, come on, you know, be that to someone else.

Pamela Bardhi
Absolutely way and I couldn’t agree more. And it’s like, for you, it’s amazing to see that you built 14 different businesses. and like when people look at that, it’s like how the hell did you do it? So what would be your biggest piece of advice to entrepreneurs that are like. how do I even execute and manifest something into this world?

Wayne Altman
Number one, you got to take the word out of your library. Okay, you can’t hear that word anymore. You can’t say it anymore, You can say not now, Not yet. Has to be out of your vocabulary that you can’t let anyone say that to you. You just have to go. Oh, yeah, I mean, I those are fighting words to me. Another thing you have to do is you have to take your damn hand off your plate.

Because if your hands are over your plate, I can’t add more to it. And if you’re not willing to help others, you do not deserve to be helped either. You want to keep your little pie to yourself. Okay, there are other people that would like to make pie and we’d like to enjoy pie.

So we’ll just pass you by and when you’re ready. take your hand off your plate, and let’s rock and roll. I love that. So everyone that I meet with the invitation is let’s partner. let’s you know let’s find ways to cooperate with one another. Every single person and then you I have found that you will exclude yourself. When you’re ready.

You will say to me you will exhibit a reluctance or a. but my answer is always yes. Yes to this yes to that, I’ll take some of that big fat boy. I don’t turn down a whole lot, okay. And if it makes sense. And even if it doesn’t make sense for me at that moment. I want to get this out of the way. Even if it doesn’t make sense at the moment. that does not mean that I cannot help you.

Pamela Bardhi
I love that. It’s a collaborative effort.

Wayne Altman
No one gets anywhere without collaboration and without partnering. and without help Apple largest company to ever exist. They started in a garage, you think, honestly. you think they went from that to what they are now everybody walking around with their product in their pocket? Without saying yes to a few things. You’re absolutely insane. That’s ridiculous.

What Would Wayne Older Self Tell His Younger Self

Pamela Bardhi
It’s so true. It takes a team and it takes partners and it takes all these things, whatever. When people say self made, it drives me up a wall. I’m like, There’s no way. You know,there’s so many things that you have said yes to get you to where you are today.

without a doubt, even the businesses, I mean, your customers, and just all of it. All of that. I love that when I love that. And like for you. I’m super curious, like now, for this question. what would your older self tell your younger self based on what you know. now, with everything that you’ve done?

Wayne Altman
I would just say, look, you’re not getting any better looking? Okay, just put that aside. All right, it is what it is, buddy. Okay. And I would say I would say, I would encourage myself. because look, I have had a lifelong. And I’ve tried to give this to my kids as well. So I am lucky that I do get to tell that to my younger self.

My younger selves are in the other room or at school right now. And I get to tell them all the time, listen, don’t do what I did here. Here’s the third rail. Here’s a mistake, study this, find things that you’re curious about. I know that this isn’t a subject that you are particularly interested in and they’re teaching it poorly.

Find someone that will teach it to you the way you learn it. My oldest Cassidy, she’s graduating from college this year psychology degree, and in high school. she struggled mightily, okay, she struggled. And it wasn’t her. And I knew it wasn’t her from the very beginning. I knew it wasn’t her. I knew it was because she learned things differently. than that school was capable of teaching her.

And that happens to some of us. And so what I’ve tried to do is say, Listen. find people that can present this same information to you. in a way that you understand it, and you can deal with it. Right now, my middle daughter. I mean, she absorbs things into her magnificent brain, just from osmosis. You couldn’t not you can’t keep information out of that kid’s head.

And my youngest is kind of a cross between the two. you know, with a, like a super personality. But I would say you find interests, okay, and practice on those interests. In other words, find things that you’re super interested in. figure out those things, and that will inspire or ignite education.and learning a desire to learn?

Pamela Bardhi
Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. And just finding out your passions and understanding that sometimes things are different. like you said, you’re older is just just it’s not that she was doing badly or anything. She just understood things differently. And much like your binaural beats and like everything was melody clouds. it’s like, people will respond to different things differently.

Wayne Altman
schools teach to the mean, schools teach to the mean. So if you’re not in that middle group, that can get the information that way. There’s nothing for you. So you have to figure it out. I will say this too, that when she got to college, it was so much different. I went in ducking my head thinking.

she’s gonna be home and you know. I don’t want her to fail. I don’t think that you know what I mean, but I have to admit. and I’ve had I had to share with her a look cast. It was close in high school and man,she went to college and absolutely knocked it out of the park. She blew it away.

Pamela Bardhi
Amazing. I love that. I love that.

Wayne Altman
Now, she seems like the smart one. You know what I mean? And walking across the stage, get that degree. You know, hey, that’s, that’s something you know. that’s really, that says a number of things about somebody. And I was gonna say you look, I’ve written six books. and a lot of people think you write a book when you become an expert at something.

And for me, totally opposite. I wrote those books so I could learn about that subject. When I decided I’m going to write credit 101. I was doing it to HELP loan Officers learned to read a credit report. But I wanted to make sure that I knew everything about the credit report that I could possibly know.

And that caused me to learn more than I knew about the credit report. and how to read it and what it was for and how it became to be all of those things. Okay. So if you’re thinking, Oh, I’ll write a book one day about something that I know, bad idea. Write the book about crap you do not know a thing about and are forced to learn. That’s how you do it.

Pamela Bardhi
I love that. I love that because sometimes we feel like we wait, oh, no, we’re not ready yet. Or we don’t know this much yet. You just go out and you do it. And that’s really what’s gonna sharpen your, your tool belt. And yes, I love that. that for you now when like what’s happening in the next like. three to six months in your world? Like, tell me what’s going on? I’m excited to hear.

Wayne Altman
So with melody clouds, we had, every business has these moments where you go one way. or you disband the business, and you don’t you put your head down
and you move forward. Okay, as a web developer that did some harm to the website.

And to both of our apps, we have an Android app and an iOS app. I’ve spent a lot of money on this project. and I was at a crossroads. What am I going to do? Am I going to shut this down? They’ve ruined me, no, no, no, that will never happen. So in the next six months, we have partnerships that are going online. are going to bring our subscriber base up.

one of the things I want to tell everybody is right now it’s 60 days, for $2.99. And then at the end of 60 days, it’s $5.99. Okay, so while other apps that do virtually some of the same things that we do. are charging 25 $30 a month, we’re at $5.99. And that’s with no ads. And if you don’t want to give your information to the machine, I’m your Huckleberry.

Because I don’t want your information. All you got to do give me 599 a month. And that’s we don’t share it with anyone. The only thing I take information for is for your subscription. That’s it, it is absolutely the least of these apps that collect information. or subscriptions that collect information.and we don’t have ads are not relaxing.

So we said no to ADS, we’ve been approached. and I’m like that is not relaxing, and stay away from me. So in the next six months, we have partnerships that will be signing. will be increasing our subscriber base. we’re going to be animating all of the Aesop’s fables. and turning them into little cartoons. which I am, I am even more excited about that.

We are adding 8000 radio programmes, old time radio programmes. Because when I was a kid, that was like a big thing for me. I loved being able to and I think one of the things we’ve done is ruined our imagination. with a lot of TV and movies. And so if I want to kind of bring back old time radio, because I enjoy it.

And I think there’s a mark. I think there’s a lot of people that would enjoy listening to the shadow. and the great Gildersleeve and all of these really classic bits of entertainment. That’s what we’re doing for the next six months. That’s what we’re that’s what we’re about.

Pamela Bardhi
That’s so exciting. I can’t wait to see that all manifest and come to life. My goodness, Wayne, you are incredible and inspiring. But now you’ve got to let everyone know where to find you. Melody, clouds, everything how to get in touch with you and how to find melody clouds as well.

Wayne Altman
So melody clouds is at Melody clouds.com www Melody clouds.com. They can find me and people do so do not hesitate to email me. It’s Wayne Altman at Melody clouds.com. And I hope that everyone will at least come and you know. try because there’s some sample music on melody clouds.

and at least come and try some of the binaural beats some solfeggio. and see if you know what I’m making a fuss about I’m actually talking about. there’s some audio books on there as well. So yeah, that’s where I’m going to be

Pamela Bardhi
loving when thank you so much for being here today. Wow. Your story telling us all about your businesses and Melody Clouds and everything. Thank you so much, my friend.

Wayne Altman
Thank you very much for having me.

Pamela Bardhi
So that’s it for today’s episode of underdog. catch us next week, always dropping on Thursdays. And remember, if you’re interested in real estate. or want to learn how to create more money and magic in your life. check out meet with pamela.com and let’s chat sending you so so much love.