Donnalynn Riley

Welcome to the first episode of UnderDog in the Year 2024. Join our host, Pamela Bardhi, as she dives into an inspiring conversation with Donnalynn Riley. Donnalynn is a Joy Coach and a Speaker renowned for her exceptional ability to translate profound spiritual concepts into practical, tangible strategies for a fulfilling life. 

Donnalynn Riley has a rich background encompassing diverse roles from Broadway to CEO of a multimillion-dollar corporation. Her mission, highlighted by appearances on FOX, ABC, NBC, and CBS, is to inspire 42 million individuals to elevate their emotional well-being, ultimately achieving their goals with joy and unwavering determination.

Here are some of the Key Takeaways:

  • Prioritizing Joy Amid Life’s Transformations: Donnalynn shares her journey of navigating life changes, from a career pivot on Broadway to embracing her role as a mother, emphasizing the significance of maintaining a balance between masculine and feminine energies.
  • Discovering Passion and PurposeReflecting on her career trajectory, Donnalynn shares her journey from Broadway as a Sound Designer to becoming a Spiritual Health Coach, illustrating the profound impact of alternative therapies and the prioritization of joy on overall well-being.
  • Harnessing Inner Power for Transformation: The conversation delves into the power of the mind, with Donnalynn emphasizing the importance of regaining focus and control over one’s life, offering insights into activating inner power for transformation and self-awareness.
  • Mind-Body Connection for Personal GrowthPamela and Donnalynn discuss the pivotal role of body awareness and the mind-body connection in fostering personal growth, presenting practical techniques to harness energy and intention for manifesting positive changes.

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Donnalynn Riley’s Journey of Self-Discovery and Happiness Through Spiritual Coaching

Pamela Bardhi: Hello. Hello, everyone, and welcome to, the Underdog podcast. Today I have an incredible friend here with me, Donald. How are you?

Donnalynn Riley: I am really good. How are you?

Pamela Bardhi: I am doing fabulous. 2024 is already setting out to be amazing and incredible. Just how we were talking, prior to the call. Things have just been, there’s a lot of shifts, but it’s really cool. I’m loving it so far. How about you?

Donnalynn Riley: Yes, I think it’s really amazing. It’s, gotten off to a big start.

Pamela Bardhi: I love it. I love it. I can already feel this year is going to be incredibly powerful.

When did you start on Broadway? Would you say 16? No. Wait, I was 19

And speaking of incredibly powerful, let’s talk about you and your amazingness in the world. My goodness. I was reading up on you. I was like, oh, my God, she’s amazing, I can’t wait to hear her story and what she’s all about and all of the things. And I always start by taking it way back, which is childhood, and asking the question of, like, so what did you want to be when you grew up? Where did all of this start? I love that.

Donnalynn Riley: I love that. Well, let’s see. So depending on the year, I wanted to be a horseback rider, I wanted to be a dressage rider, and I rode horses a lot, or a vet. That was part of the horseback riding thing. I thought, how can I make a living and a dancer? And to be honest, I went to, performing arts school when I was a kid.

So I learned acting and dancing and singing and all of that, and it wasn’t very long into it. I really enjoyed it. But I was probably 16 when I realized that what I really wanted to do was be a sound designer in the theater. And so I met somebody who was kind of amazing, and she was a sound designer, and I was like, oh, I want to be all that. Because I was 16. And, two and a half years later, I was on a Broadway, I was doing a show on Broadway, and so my life was sort of very clear.

I had a lot of clarity as a child, right? I didn’t have any of the baggage that we get along the way, right. And I was fortunate not to really comprehend that. Life has a lot of twists and turns, right? So there was still a lot of magic for me. and things happened quickly and easily. When you’re in that clear flow state, so that was my first career, I got right into it, right from being a little kid.

Pamela Bardhi: That’s, amazing. Wait, so when did you start on Broadway? Would you say 16?

Donnalynn Riley: No. So I wanted to go since I was 16. I was like, that’s what I’m doing. And I believe I was just 19 when I did my first show on Broadway. Yes.

Pamela Bardhi: That’s incredible.

You mentioned you had a lot of clarity as a child about life

And you mentioned you had a lot of clarity as a child, which I love that. I love that. Can you share some insight onto that? Because I love hearing all the different life perspectives on things and just love to hear about that.

Donnalynn Riley: Yeah. So, mysticism was not, foreign to me and didn’t have a name for me. Right. I just thought, this is how people are, right? I didn’t know. I went away to school when I was 16, I was maybe late 15, early 16, something like that. And had a roommate. She started to understand that I saw the world differently, and I didn’t know what she was on about at all.

I didn’t understand because I was innocent. And, she got really freaked out. She did not like it. I thought, oh, okay, so this is not for everybody. It’s for some people. Some people are like this, and other people not so much, and that you need to kind of be aware of the people around you and what their expectations are of you. It was really the first time I ever understood about kind of being in the world, and that people may expect something different from you than what your gift is to offer the world.

Pamela Bardhi: That’s fascinating. Was this like a boarding school?

Donnalynn Riley: It was actually, My parents were so crazy, I love them to death. M they sent me to a school that didn’t have a boarding portion to it. I went to school, I had found this school in Philadelphia. It was called Philadelphia School of Performing Arts and we just made an arrangement with a mother of one of the children there, and she rented out a little. She had a little apartment inside her townhouse, and she rented it out to me and another young girl who wanted to go to that school.

Pamela Bardhi: Oh, my goodness. I love that. Because I was like, wait, is it a boarding school or what?

Donnalynn Riley: No, there was, like, no oversight. I don’t know what they were thinking. But the thing is that, as you said, there was, like, a clarity, right. It never occurred to me to really misbehave in the ways that people sometimes do when they go away very young. I just wanted to be able to sing and dance and play and have fun and have that all be the way the world really is.

Pamela Bardhi: I love that. And then Broadway at 19. So what was your first show?

Donnalynn Riley: Now you want me to date myself? All right. It’s all right. My first show was a few good men at the Walter Kerr theater. I was the assistant sound designer, and the sound designer was John Gramada. And he was kind of a young upstart in the industry.

He was in his maybe late twenty s and massively talented, amazing designer and musician and composer. And, yeah, I was just super lucky, right? I mean, that’s what we call it when we don’t scrape for it, right? When we don’t like, oh, I’m working so hard, then we call it luck. But really it’s matching up with what we expect the world to be. It’s matching up with our vibrational state, right? So when we can do that, when we can sort of be clear about ourselves and say, yeah, I want the world to be good, and I expect the world to be good, then it meets our expectations.

But when there’s, something off in there, that’s what people talk about in terms of misalignment, right? When you want the world to be good, but you really don’t expect it to be, because you’ve got some evidence that it’s been hard before, then it doesn’t really have a chance of meeting up with the good part of what you want. Really can only sort of fill in the blanks that we leave. And we define them with our expectation. We define them with our hearts.

Pamela Bardhi: So accurate.

Walk me through your career in Broadway and how that all shaped out

I mean, what I loved was when you were talking about the clarity and kind of being in that flow state of how things just kind of fall into your lap. And I was just talking about this earlier where it’s like that resistance is what keeps us out of flow state, and that is what creates problems. If you’re not living in flow state, you’re going to experience a lot of that. It’s resistance, because your inner self knows that you’re not supposed to be doing x, y, and z. You are meant for something else.

So what’s it going to keep doing? It’s going to keep resisting whatever it is that you’re doing, right? As you were saying, you’re like, you went into this Broadway show, and it was almost like flow state. Like, you got to be assistant sound designer, like, amazing, 19 years old doing that, because that is what’s in alignment for you. And being in that flow state, which I absolutely love, and I love hearing the journeys of how that really comes together. So walk me through the career in Broadway and how that all really shaped out, because I love that. I love to hear it.

Donnalynn Riley: Well, you’re reminding me that there was a couple of years later, there was a time I was doing a show called Angels in America, and my brother is a scenic. He. And he’s a decade older than. So, you know, he had worked hard to get there and I was like this naughty little kid who just walked in. Right, and owned the world, and it kind of was that way in that.

Not that I was as educated as other people, but that doors opened for me, and I had opportunities to learn and grow and be a part of amazing things because I just showed up present. So my brother was doing a show down the block, and it was called city of angels, and he said, let me take you out to lunch. And I said, okay, and so off to lunch we go. He gave me a big lecture about how I should be more respectful of how hard it is to get there. And, for me, these are those moments of awakening, right?

These are those moments like I described when I was 16 and my roommate didn’t experience the world the way that I did, that you have to sort of open up and say, okay, the world expects me to be different, but what do I want to expect of the world? Even if I become that, even if I say in front of you or in order to get along with you, I’m willing to curb my behavior, to not talk about certain things. Right. In order to sort of fit in in the world.

Who are you behind closed doors, and how does that contribute to that joy, to that flow state that we’re talking about? Or lack of it. Yeah. So I worked on Broadway for, 1015 years. Yeah, I had an incredible career. I really enjoyed it, I got to meet incredible people. I got to do shows that were like, one of the shows I enjoyed doing the most was a show called american, daughter, which was really amazing, and so many great people. And those were really good times until it wasn’t.

Pamela Bardhi: Right.

Donnalynn Riley: And this is, I think, the important thing for people to understand that things can be amazing and they are not diminished by the fact that they are no longer welcome in your life.

Donna Lyn has had an incredible career in Broadway, but business shifted

Pamela Bardhi: Walk m me through that, Donna Lyn, because I’m intrigued to hear that, because I always tell people, I’m like, listen, guys, there’s seasons in your life. There’s a reason for every season, but there’s seasons and certain things you grow out of, or it was a stepping stone to get to where you want. I mean, there’s a whole lot of different reasons why things happen, right? So I’d be intrigued to hear, with an incredible career in Broadway, kind of what shifted.

Donnalynn Riley: Well, I’ll tell you what, I had done almost everything that I wanted to do, and I felt like, okay, there’s more juice. Where is it? And the thing about me that I know really well, and this is important for people to understand about themselves, is what drives them. What do they want out of this life? And for me, what I really love about life is the broad scope, beautiful newness, right? I love learning, I love growing, I love contributing to things that are really meaningful to me.

And when you say, okay, I’m willing to do what it takes to get there, it’s messy, but you can do things that you wouldn’t get to do before. So I’m, working on Broadway, and I think there’s something more I need to do. At the time, I was kind of like a hired gun for money to come in, not on Broadway, but to come into the studios and be able to do this very specific software. And so I could command a decent rate, which now sounds like a penny and a half compared to today’s money, but I could make real money doing it.

There was one of the studio owners said, oh, yeah, no, we can’t pay that. And I really liked him. I said, listen, what I want in my life right now is to learn how to run a business. So I’ll work for whatever you want to pay me if you’ll teach me how to run a business. And he said, okay. He absolutely held up his end of the bargain. I mean, he opened his books. He did everything. When I came to him and said, what are you doing? Why are you doing that? That looks really like a bad business decision.

He sat me down and taught me about it and told me about the consequences of things looking good, but not actually being good for you, right, and for your business. So I had all this sort of thirst for business. And let’s see, it wasn’t too long after that that my husband said, let’s move out of the city. And I said, oh, what am I going to do? because I kind of breathed the city, and that really made way for me to get a job in a business instead of in theater, right? Because there wasn’t anything big going on there. That job led to the next job, to the next job, to the next job, all within the same company.

And within about three years, I became the general manager of a chain of furniture stores and unbelievable amounts of juice in that, right. That I got to learn all those things, that people are so amazing at their jobs and that you can call that out of people when you have that openness and clarity, but if you expect them to be terrible at their job, they are. They really are. Right? If you expect that you’re going to have a lot of loss in a company, you’re going to guaranteed. Right. If you expect that your people are actually looking after you and you develop that culture that this is our company, right. 

This is something that we’re all a part of, and I had come from theater, so I only understood really collaborative mechanisms. I didn’t really understand the whole higher up thing, so I brought a different viewpoint on that, and it was beneficial, thank goodness. And so I got to do that for another ten or 15 years. I’m going to make it seven. Can we make it seven just so I can add them up to be a little lower?

Pamela Bardhi: That’s amazing. Oh, my goodness. I love that.

So you shifted from, um, theater into the furniture business

So you shifted from, theater into the furniture business and then the furniture business.

Donnalynn Riley: Yeah. Okay. So I’m just going to keep telling you.

Pamela Bardhi: Tell me. I want to hear the life journey. I love that.

Donnalynn Riley: Yeah. So what happened for me is that along the way, I was general manager, and at that point, CEO as well, and my husband got, he had some hearing loss, and, he went to the hospital, and they called, like, on a Sunday, at 06:00 at night, and they were like, you got to come to the hospital. And I was like, he’s on the roof. He’s not coming down. Like, what are you talking about? They were like, you need to come to the hospital.

And so he’s up on the roof, and I’m going, this doctor says, you have to go to the hospital, I don’t understand. And he was like, I’m not going. I’m going when I have time, I’m not going. The doctor is like, you got to come, and so eventually he gets off the roof, and he was like, fixing something or whatever. We go in, and this is actually a perfect example of expectation. I don’t know why I’m telling you all this detail, I don’t usually, but here we go.

We go in, and this doctor spends an hour and a half pointing at, pictures of the inside of his head, and there’s a big giant tumor in there and talking about how dire it is. My husband had been injured as a child, he’d been severely injured as a child, and he really didn’t want to go into. He had spent two and a half years in a hospital when he was young, and so he really didn’t want to go in. And so they said, you have to have surgery right away. He’s like, what does right away mean? And they, Like, within two weeks, he said, ok, all right, two weeks.

Got two weeks. So we went home and we called everybody we knew and said, who knows somebody who knows this kind of doctor? And we get into a, place in New York with the top guy in the country, and we have this consult, and he, oh, yeah, yeah, we got to cut you open here and put your belly fat over there and all these things. Yeah, that’s just exactly what his face did. Like, we are not doing that.

What was amazing about that is that that doctor said, oh, you have two or three months before we have to do this surgery. And that was the moment of inspiration for him to say to me, I want you to find me another way. Please go see what we can do, and that is really what brought me into what I was originally licensed as, a spiritual health coach. That’s really the viewpoint that I come to. Right. Is that what can you do with medical issues when you don’t want to do medical things?

And so that control over the body and the mind and the emotions became a central tenet. We also did some alternative therapies and things like that. But what I really got out of that is that there’s a whole other way to live that really honors that way. I saw the world when I was a child. That really was kind of unacceptable to the rest of the world. Right. So we said, okay, and two years later, no tumor, and we did the work.

Pamela Bardhi: Yeah, that’s, amazing. And he didn’t have to go through surgery or anything.

Donnalynn Riley: No, he didn’t know surgery. He shrunk the tumors doing specific work that was alternative healing and really a lot of emotional and mental and spiritual work. And that was my introduction to what can we do? What can we do? Not just with our bodies, not just with our minds, although those are amazing, but what is spirit and how does it contribute to this experience that we’re having? Right. That’s how I became a spiritual health coach.

To be honest, my journey has been a few years past that now and really shifted into this emotional realm in such a significant way, because the biggest results that I see are when people can prioritize joy, when they can find those above the line, as I like to say, which means not in a stress response right above the line. Emotions, where we’re in playfulness, we’re in happiness, we’re in joy, we’re in ease, we’re having a great time. And when we can prioritize that, then what happens to the body, to your business, to your relationships, to your spouse and your relationship to your children and your relationship with them is massively, drastically different than when we don’t prioritize that in our quiet moments.

Pamela Bardhi: I absolutely love that, I love what you just mentioned. My goodness. Well, you know, what the issue is with society is that we’re taught that power, lives outside of us and not within us, and I think that that’s something. It’s almost like you’re giving up your power every time that you. I don’t want to go crazy on this, but when every time you go to the doctor and stuff like that. I’m a big believer of alternative and holistic therapies, and, I’ve seen that work way better than traditional medicine. And so I’m always competing with that, where it’s like the power of the mind will supersede a lot of things.

Donnalynn Riley: Yeah. So along the way, I was introduced to, osteopathy. Now, it’s not exactly the way it’s practiced in the United States, but I, was recommended by an osteopath to read a t still’s book, and he is the founder of osteopathy. And, the book, don’t read it. It’s terrible. It’s a terrible. I mean, it’s all about, like, I grew up in a one room schoolhouse, kind of situation, and he did.

But what was fascinating about him is that what he really understood is that everything that we need in order to live a happy and healthy life is already inside of us, and our job is just to figure out how to access it. And to me, that was pivotal. That was pivotal. That was early in my journey, and it was so important because it’s what you just said, right, that we can find it within us, but we don’t always have the directions. We don’t know how to do it.

Pamela Bardhi: Exactly.

How did you navigate through that with your husband

And that’s what I was going to say, because when you get news like that, one of two things happens. You either shut down or you become alive. You have the choice, right. So how did you navigate through that with your husband? And what steps did you take in order to almost gain that power back and then also just kind of working through all this? Because, I mean, it’s almost like you guys were almost co creating at the same time with all of this, he.

Donnalynn Riley: And I were very much amazing team members. That was our strongest part of our marriage, was that we just could do anything together, we just were really good at being a team, and so it’s messy. It’s like everybody’s life, right? Sometimes you lose focus and you go like, I don’t know, this seems crazy. And other times you’re driving an hour and a half away to find out how to do the device so that he could have the vibrational support that he needs and all the things. I think that’s the way it is for everybody, right?

I think that the process is messy. And the most important part of that process is that you can actually regain that focus over and over and over, because it isn’t that you’re going to be positive all the time. That’s not going to happen. We’re here on earth having an earthly experience. But what can change is the amount of time that you are just driving in the wrong direction, right. Because sometimes you’re going to drive in the wrong direction, but that time period is what matters, and that’s how we get where we’re going, really. That’s how faith works, right? And I don’t mean religious faith. I mean faith in ourselves, in our path, in what’s next, in our hopes and our dreams.

And so when we can really hone in on that and say, okay, so I lost focus. Okay, so I was crying in the bathroom, all right? I had that feeling. Now what are you going to do? How long are you going to let it take you out? I think that’s the thing that is the biggest change that I see in people, is that when they can get really good at that shortening, that time period, when they can get really good control over their bodies and their desires, and matching the two up, and really good at knowing themselves, at understanding the nature of their own spirit, then nothing is out of the question, because you don’t have to know it. Know it enough to keep going in that direction.

Pamela Bardhi: Absolutely. I love that, Donald. And I love that. I love that you mentioned earlier, you need to know how to activate it. It’s a matter of activating it. It’s like, how would you advise, say, if someone right now is struggling right now, and they’re thinking about, okay, how do I transform? Or how do I regain power within myself? What are the steps to even do that?

Donnalynn Riley: Yeah, it could be complicated if you let it, but the basics are, you need to have awareness, right? And a lot of the product that I offer, a lot of the coaching that I offer allows a way to measure that. But, you can do this at home, okay? You can tune into yourself and get some awareness around what’s happening for you. So a lot of times people will feel like, no, I’m basically a happy person, but they don’t notice that their lips purse most of the time or that their shoulders are up in their ears most of the time, right. Or that their back aches a lot and it’s always at a certain time of day, right. These kinds of indicators.

So start paying attention to yourself and start understanding that your body is your friend in this awareness discovery process. And, your mind is not your friend. Your mind is going to tell you that you have a disease and that you should go to the doctor immediately. As we used to say, everybody has a brain tumor when they’re starting to, get aware, right. You’re always self diagnosing yourself as something, right. The thing is to get this easy understanding of your body, to be able to really pay attention to it and to raise that awareness and start naming those feelings on a much smaller level. Right.

Society will name anger as an outburst. Well, what are you going to name it as? Anger starts a long time before your mouth opens, so when you heighten your awareness, then you’re able to work with yourself sooner and before things turn into problems and suddenly you’re heading in a better direction. So that’s really that first step that you need to take.

Pamela Bardhi: Absolutely. Awareness is really everything and tuning into your body. Oh, my God. What do they call this?

Donnalynn Riley: Muscle testing?

Pamela Bardhi: Yes, muscle testing. There’s a holistic practitioner that I see in Dallas, Texas, and he’s like, you can ask your body questions and it’ll tell you, I’m like, and I would get freaked out every time he would do it. He’s like, try it. And I’m just like, yeah, it’s fascinating. Like, your body is so intuitive, and like you said, your mind is not your friend, but it’s not your friend because it’s trying to protect you. So anything that it deems as an outside threat, it’s trying to protect you in itself. It’s not trying to make you go against yourself. It’s just.

Donnalynn Riley: No, that’s right. Change is not, the mind does not want change, right. Safety lies in the known and growth and playfulness and freedom. They live in the unknown, right. So our spirit says, let’s go, let’s go. And our brain says, don’t be ridiculous. Sit down, watch some tv, eat a pint of ice cream. Come on. Right? Because there’s no safety in it, and it’s important.

Your brain is playing a really important role, and I think it’s, something that people need to understand is that we don’t just throw away the information from the brain. We also get perspective on that. Right. So awareness for your thoughts goes up, as well as awareness for your feelings and for the experience of your body. And when you have all of those things, now you got some tools, now you have some ways to measure what’s happening in your.

Pamela Bardhi: Absolutely. Absolutely. I love that, Donald. I love, it’s. It’s so empowering to kind of know that, but it’s just crazy to me because society is like, oh, you got to do XYZ. Whatever the doctor says. Whatever the doctor says. And it’s like, that’s not really. It doesn’t have to be that way. Right.

Donald says working with your body can help you overcome many ailments

So for you, in your experience as a spiritual health coach, what are some of the common issues that you come across, and what are some of not the remedies, but some different strategies, that you’ve helped kind of clients through, because maybe there’s somebody listening right now that’s struggling through something and doesn’t know. Kind of the first step to take because they know they feel something whenever they go to the doctor, that, okay, there’s another way. Right. But how do you actually go about doing that?

Donnalynn Riley: Yeah, I’ve worked for a long time, I worked with people on their physical ailments, and I will say that, what I found is that the more aware my clients became, the more their problems became about business or about their relationships, and the less physical problems were a major player in their experience. Right. And so, those are the kinds of things that I work with a lot, and that raising that awareness, it’s such an important piece of the puzzle. But if you can go beyond that, if you can then learn to actually do the biofeedback. Right. The interaction with your body.

Oh, a while ago, a long while ago, I had a doctor who, as a matter of fact, it was the same one that suggested I read at still. He said, I want to test you. And he had me lay on the examining table, and he put a heart rate monitor on me, and he said, I want to see if you can change your heart rate. And the thing is, I was having problems with my body at that time, and he, trained me. He showed me the monitor, and he trained me to use my mind and my heart to change what was happening in my body and that I had control over it.

Then he said, and I had a lot of issues around temperature in my body, right? I happened to run very low temperature, and it was causing a lot of problems in the body. And so he said, you can do that with your temperature. I said, really? And he said, yes, you just got to keep doing it. You have to measure, you have to know what you’re doing. You have to have intention, and then keep working with your body until it responds to you, and that’s really a similar way to how we work with our emotions, right?

The external stuff, it all fills in once we do this part. We work with our bodies to be able to create, generate joy, fun, ease, freedom, right? Peace, that space of peace. And once we can do those things over and over, you try. You just keep trying, and if you want to do it at home, that’s what you got to do. Okay? It’s easier when you have somebody to help you, but it is absolutely possible right now for anyone who is listening. You work with yourself until your body responds, until you start to feel it, and then you can really create a basis. You can change this.

I like to think of it as like, our emotions as like a building with an elevator in it. And if you’re on the floor that only has rage, then that’s what you’ve got. You got to get in the elevator, you got to go someplace else. That’s what working with the body allows you to do. So as you do that, you’ll start to get off on other floors that are in the vicinity of satisfaction and peace, and more. Right? And once you do that, we have what we call a different set point, and then the world starts to behave differently.

That’s what happened when I was 16, and I thought, I’m going to be on Broadway like a snotty little kid, right? That’s what happened. The world changed for me because I got off on a different floor, right? And that’s what can happen anytime we want it. But we do have to create a set point, which means we have to, break some cycles that are going on in our lives, and we have to deal with some of the baggage that we’re carrying around because most of us aren’t 16 and just figuring it out for the first time, right? So that’s that process.

Pamela Bardhi: I absolutely love that. I love that, Donald. I mean, it’s almost like you’re calling everything in. You’ve got to change your vibration in order to call in the things that you want, right?

Donnalynn Riley: Absolutely.

Pamela Bardhi: At sex 16, you had that clarity, and so nothing was kind of stopping you from receiving that. Right. So there wasn’t all this judgement or anything. You were clear, this is what you wanted. There was nothing kind of resisting you, right. So you called it in, and that’s the same thing with our bodies. I love what you mentioned about the awareness and that whole piece. And so for anybody who’s listening, do you have any tips or tricks? There’s something that somebody could do right now for their body, if they know something’s up, like, okay, I’m feeling off. What can I do? Donald?

Donnalynn Riley: Yeah, I’m going to give you a tool, and I’m just going to mention that this detailed PDF about this is available on the website. So if you hear it and you go like, I don’t know, I kind of got it. You can just get the PDF and you can see pictures and everything. the first thing I would do is you want to move energy, right?

So our bodies and the area around our bodies, we all have different names for it. I like to just say it’s our personal space because we all get that. We all know when we’re standing too close to somebody, right. And it feels too icky. You’re in my space. Right. So, this is one way that you can really start to move some energy that is in your personal space and in your body and ultimately controlling and having an impact on your thoughts, right.

And that is, it’s a simple hand movement where you’re going to take your hand and you’re going to fold in your pinky and your ring finger and you’re going to leave, what are those index and middle finger straight. And you’re going to cover it with your thumb and cover the bent fingers with your thumb. So you’re kind of poking the center of your palm, and you do that with both hands, and you allow those little pointer fingers to point toward the ground. If you’ll sit there for a few minutes, even while we’re on this broadcast, if you just do that and you sit and you wait and you raise your awareness after maybe 30 seconds, it usually doesn’t even take 30 seconds before somebody will say to me, I feel different. 

There’s something different happening for me now. And so it’s an awesome tool. It can be used with feelings that don’t feel good, like, anxiety and depression and anger and stresses of all kinds. But it also, which is pretty incredible about it because it’s activating the nervous system in a very specific way with the way that we hold our fingers and the things we’re pressing on, it also will energize you. It’s a balancer. Right. So this is a great way to start and to really raise that awareness and also to gain some easier control.

Pamela Bardhi: Wow, that’s amazing. As you said that I was doing it as well, and I was like, whoa. I felt like this, like, zing in my brain. I’m like, what the. What is that?

Donnalynn Riley: Because energy moves, right? We’re made up of energy, and energy moves, and when energy moves, we become different, because we’re just energy, right? So, yeah, it’s pretty incredible.

Mudras are movements that affect your whole being, right

And what also I love about Mudras is that, or hand movements like that, is that you, will experience something different than anybody else, right? So it isn’t a lot of times in the west, we’re like, oh, you do this and know this is what makes your hair not fall out. When you’re working on this level where you’re really moving energy, then your whole being is going to be impacted by this. So what you need might be different than what the person next to you needs, but there is a balancing that is happening, and there’s an opening up of channels that happens during that process that will help you to have a better physical life, but also better business life, easier money story, right? A, better relationships, all of it.

Pamela Bardhi: I love that. Thank you so much for sharing that. Your health is your wealth at the end of the day, and that’s just number one above all things.

What would you tell your older self based on what you know

And I’d be curious, too. This is my favorite question that I always ask, and I always wait until the end to do this because it’s always so much fun. But what would your older self tell your younger self based on what you know?

Donnalynn Riley: Oh, I’ve thought about this a lot. Not because people have asked me, but because I go back and I talk to her a lot. M and I think it’s a practice we should all do, right? There is a moment, and I would suspect that everybody can find a moment that they can remember in their childhood where they were quiet and they knew the world was changing. And there was a moment for me when I was in a horse’s stall, sitting there being. Trying to be pouting, and all of a sudden, I knew that something was different.

And it’s been a moment that I’ve gone back to and talked to myself over and over again. And so, as time goes on, you can keep educating your younger self. I would say to her, do not let this world change you in the way that is your core. Enjoy it, have fun with it, and know that you are perfect just the way you are and as what you’ll grow into as well.

Pamela Bardhi: It’s beautiful. I love that. It’s the most beautiful thing in the world. Because what you thought was different about you as a teenager now has come full circle as you’re older and now you’re doing this work, which is, you were esoteric from the beginning. Now it’s almost like you’re owning your gifts and that’s what created the magic within you. Without your mysticism and your esoteric nature as a kid, this would not happen at this stage, right?

Donnalynn Riley: Yeah, that’s right. And also without everything that happened along the way, right. I got to live in the world in really significant ways. I got to hang out with people who are really making history, literally, in the theater, right. We take pictures of them and we put them up and they never die, even though sometimes the person does. Also with people who are just trying to have a better home, right. People who really just want to have a better day to day experience. And so when I got to do both of those things in my life, that also shaped me. Right. There is no wasted time.

Pamela Bardhi: Right.

Donnalynn Riley: Yeah.

Pamela Bardhi: It’s all part of the journey, which. Love. You are amazing. Donald. My goodness. Thank you so much for sharing your story today. And just all these little magic tools and all these incredible. Just, I’m inspired by you. I love the work that you’re doing in the world and I’m sure there’s people listening right now that are like, how can I connect with her? So if you could let us know kind of where to find you any resources, anything like that, that would be amazing.

Donnalynn Riley: Yeah. The best place is at my website. It’s Donnalin blog. So it’s pretty simple. Just my first name, all one word blog. What I have there for you is I have a tool, called the guide to becoming unbreakable is on there. And that’s the one that is going to show you exactly how to do that little exercise that we did together, as well as give you some other frameworks to be able to take it a little easier in this world.

And, also there is a way that you can get directly in touch with me. So if you say to yourself, hey, I think I’d like to know what it feels like to make big change, to really commit and know that my life doesn’t have to be overwhelming, that I may have gotten all the things right. I may have it all and still not be able to enjoy it, but there’s a way forward for me. So if you’re feeling like I want some more help, then there’s also a way to get directly in touch with me there.

Pamela Bardhi: Love that. Donald. And you are amazing. Thank you so much again for sharing your story and just everything, everything. We appreciate you so much.

Donnalynn Riley: Thank you. Thank you very much. It was really fun. I really appreciate you.

Pamela Bardhi: Thank you. I appreciate you.

So that’s it for today’s episode of Underdog. Catch us next week. Always dropping on Thursdays

So that’s it for today’s episode of Underdog.

Donnalynn Riley: Catch us next week.

Pamela Bardhi: Always dropping on Thursdays. And remember, if you’re interested in real estate or want to learn how to create more money and magic in your life, check out and let’s chat. Sending you so, so much love.



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