Nigel Thomas

In today’s episode of The Underdog, we’re taken on a heartfelt journey into the incredible journey of Nigel. a visionary entrepreneur who has battled through adversity to build his newsletter business, “From David to Goliath”.

Our guest, Nigel Thomas’ story begins in the classroom of Manchester, where he was known as the daydreamer. Despite his dreams, he found himself trapped in a life that wasn’t his own, and battling mental health. It wasn’t until he quit his job at 26 that Nigel began to turn his visions into reality, thus the start of his reality and newsletter business.

Key Takeaways:

  • Embracing uniqueness: from his experience of being bullied and feeling like an outsider throughout school, he shared how he embraced his uniqueness and decided to prioritize his own authenticity and well-being.
  • Journey in the business world: from quitting his corporate job, and facing failures, now to his current venture, “David to Goliath”, his newsletter business which aims to build a community and share stories of resilience and overcoming challenges.
  • Two inner voices: his journey to overcome challenges contributed to transforming his mindset. Distinguishing between one’s two inner voices – the demons (fears) and the champion (true self), and choosing which one to listen to. Empowering the champion voice leads to positive change in your life.

Tune in, listen to Nigel’s powerful narrative, and be prepared to be moved. You might find the spark you need to start your own underdog story.

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Nigel’s Empowering Story of Building a Newsletter and Community Through Vulnerability

Pamela Bardhi: Like the Monday hello, everyone, and welcome to the Underdog podcast. Today I have my incredible friend here, Nigel, coming in straight from Manchester, UK. How are you, my friend?

Nigel Thomas: I’m very excited. Know we’ve got rain, we’ve got darkness, but, hell, we’ve got an underdog spirit. This city, Manchester, it was born in the industrial revolution, and it’s a city for the people and the principles. And unlike the other cities in the UK, like London, that get all the prestige and the highlight reels. Manchester is where the real people are. It’s where the underdogs are. It’s where the best sports teams are and I’m part of that crowd, so I’m proud. I’m mancunian.

Pamela Bardhi: Oh, my God. I’m so honored to have you, my friend. I feel like you should be, like, the one presenter when before any of these games start. that you basically set the stage for everything that’s about to go down in any sports game or any event.anything, period, in Manchester.

Nigel Thomas: I love if they’ll have me, I’ll get on that microphone and I’ll sing my heart out. Don’t worry about that.

Nigel says he always knew he was going to be successful in business

Pamela Bardhi: Oh, my gosh, Nigel, you are amazing. You had a nice conversation right before we even started, and I’m like, so intrigued by your story. and what you’re working on with your newsletter, your business. I mean, your business name is quite literally from David to Goliath. So I’m like, I want to know all of the details. but before we get into all of that, I would love to know, Nigel. what did you want to be when you grew up as a kid? Because we’re taking it way back now.

Nigel Thomas: Yeah, that’s a really good question. And, I’ll be honest, I think a lot of people say that when they’re kind of successful, quote unquote. I don’t think I’m successful quote unquote yet. but a lot of people say they didn’t envisage where they were. I always knew that I was going to do something great and it wasn’t for a long time. until I was 26 years old and I quit my job, that I actually started taking that path. For a long time, I was pleasing others. But when I was at school, they used to call me the daydreamer. and I’d usually just stare out of the classroom, not really paying attention.

I think I’ve not been diagnosed. I think I’ve got pretty severe ADHD. But the thing is, in business, it means you’re a visionary, and that is one of the greatest strengths. So a lot of the stuff that I’m doing, I imagined already. I’m not here to come and tell people it all happened by accident. Yes, there’s luck along the way, I’ll admit that. But ultimately, I am forcing my dreams into reality. And, even though I didn’t know exactly what it was going to look like. I always knew I was going to do something great and I’m not afraid to say that.

Pamela Bardhi: That’s amazing. And I love that you said that you have visualized it really prior to. because I think that that’s something that’s really key and when you mentioned the ADHD, I can totally relate. You see certain things and you know certain things and you can see them in your mind somehow. then it all begins here. So your internal reality is what sets the tone for your external reality. And I think that that’s something that’s critically important for a lot of people to understand. It’s like, no, it didn’t just manifest on the outside. because you’re like praying for roses and butterflies all the time.

It’s like good vibes. It’s like, okay, great. But you’ve got to really visualize that first. Get that visualization piece in and not just say. I want this thing, I want this thing. You got to really see it up here. And really, I mean, there’s a whole process to manifestation. as I’m sure you’ve experienced.

So it was interesting for you to talk about that. because, so many entrepreneurs that I know, it’s like we all have add somehow.

Nigel Thomas: Yeah, I agree. We do, and they say the quietest people have the loudest minds. and I was that person throughout school. I got incessantly bullied, I was the odd one out. But now I’m leaning into that. I’m obsessive, I’m weird, I’m a little bit freaky. You know what? I fucking love it, and if anyone doesn’t like that. then that’s their fault. I’m literally after six months ago when I was on that balcony in Austin. and I nearly committed suicide after going through that experience. I can talk about the mission I’ve got following that and how it all unfolded. but I just said, fuck it, I don’t care anymore about external opinion. I’m just going to do me and I’m going to lean into that fully.

And one thing I will say where I’m a little bit different to some of the people on the manifestation thing. because I know there’s that book, the secret. which it has some good things that you can take from it. But where I’m different, and this is because I’ve spoken to so many entrepreneurs. who have vision boards and they haven’t achieved shit. Because the reality is, in business, it’s hard. I know you said some of the people there in the real estate audience.I ran a real estate legion agency, I work with some of these realtors. It’s hard out there, the market’s hard, and sure, you’ve got to have a vision.  if you’re running in the wrong direction, taking action. then you’re going to get nowhere fast but ultimately. you have to take action.

And the first 100k, it’s ugly. It’s easy for the guys at the top to tell us how to have the perfect product. perfect service and perfect customer experience. but they forget the first. Doing anything you possibly can to get deals over the line, bang on doors, get your name out there. because at the start, no one cares about you and no one cares. People, they don’t care how much you know until they know how much you care. and the way you show that care is you have to force your name out there. show people through providing value, and it takes a long time.

And at 30, two years old, after quitting my CEO role. a six figure salary. the last agency I was a part of going through this, obviously, transition. when I nearly took my own life. I’m back in the trenches now. I don’t have that much money in the account. I’m living the life of an underdog. That’s why it’s David to Goliath. It’s all about being an underdog. And the whole slogan of the company is, dream like a giant, but fight. Believe in your dreams like a goddamn underdog. God, you get me pumped up, pam, already.

Pamela Bardhi: I love it. Oh, my God.

Growing up, I was heavily bullied in middle school

Well, the passion in your voice is tremendous. and I appreciate you sharing some things and getting vulnerable a little bit.because I’m with you on the bullying side of things. Growing up, I was heavily bullied in middle school before I moved to, where my parents bought the restaurant. It was kind of like I didn’t really know anybody in the school and stuff. and I didn’t realize how much that affected me until later in life. I thought I had forgotten about it but the wounds were there regardless. So, I can resonate with that. It’s like anybody who’s great is one who really steps into their weirdness. Like you said, you got to be weird to be great. I don’t know.

There’s no other requirement. You’re not normal. You’re just not and quite frankly, I think nobody’s quite normal. We’re all created in our own right. It’s just like society puts these norms on us that we’re supposed to be a certain way. Or behave a certain way, talk a certain way, be a certain way, live a certain life. But at the end of the day, it’s like we are our own individuals, we are our own souls. We’re uniquely created here with a purpose. and everybody’s purpose is different and everybody’s built differently.  but those who are great really step into their weirdness. and I love that you mentioned that because it’s really, into accepting that. And it’s like once you get into your zone. then you get into your creative genius and life flows for you.

Pam Hand says she has family members who struggle with depression and anxiety

And I appreciate you also letting us know about your experience on the balcony.  I cannot imagine what that is like personally. I have a lot of family members close to me that have dealt with depression and anxiety. to the point that they’re taking certain pills that they’re not supposed to. and I’ve seen that side, the darkness of it quite a bit, I haven’t experienced it personally. but I have through my loved ones. I feel like just watching them go through it in their own way. 

So thank you for sharing that and shedding some light to it. because seeing somebody as great as you, as incredible as you. building this business from David to Goliath, is going to give a lot of hope to a lot of people out there. that maybe right now are listening, that know somebody or personally are struggling themselves. and aren’t willing to, or aren’t there yet to allow anybody else in to help them. So I hope that by sharing your story, even with that, if we can dig a little bit deeper on that. it could maybe save someone’s life, so that’s my thought.

Nigel Thomas: Yeah no, of course. So, basically, for some context, like I said, when I was 26 years old. I quit my corporate job to the disbelief of my parents. And, I was going to become a chartered quantity surveyor. If you don’t know what a quantity surveyor is. it’s basically someone who counts bricks and tells the clients how much money they’ve lost. so as you can imagine, they’re not really a happy bunch of people. I threw that in the bin and I started getting some freelance clients on upwork. and Facebook ads was really big at the time, so I started my own agency. I failed that one. then built this real estate agency for this other guy. but I found out he was a narcissist, so he stripped me of all my responsibility overnight.

And, he took credit for everything I did, but he ran the business into the ground. Now, even though he took all the credit, I actually did all the work. So I phoned an old friend called Josh. who was running a little agency at the time called Alpha inbound in the ecommerce space. and they were doing about 5000 a month at the time. Now we talk about the underdog. I’ve been bullied my whole life. I wanted a chance for redemption. This other agency in the real estate space, we got it to seven figures. but it all blew up and I was like, I need something here. so I made this bold promise and I said, I’m going to get this agency, Josh, to $100,000 a month. Don’t know exactly how I’m going to do it.

I just know I am not going to stop until I get the job done. So twists, turns, ups and downs. But in 2023 of September, we managed to hit that goal. We hit over. It was like 123,000, I think it was in revenue. And from the outside looking in, everything was great. Everything was sunshine and rainbows. I grew my LinkedIn following to 45,000 people. We had great partnerships, working with some of the best brands in the space. Obviously, we hit this massive target. but little did my team know on the inside, I was crumbling.  thinking about taking my own life because I lost the person who believed in me most. The woman that really, ah, took me from an insecure individual to making me believe that was something great.

Because sometimes all it takes in life is one person to believe in you truly, and she cut me off overnight. She betrayed me and it ripped my heart to shreds. and that’s why I just didn’t feel like I had anything to live for, she was my entire world. She was really my soul at the time, and in that dark moment. I’m getting a little bit emotional. but I said to myself, if I’m not going to continue for me, I’m going to do this for everyone else who deserves second chance. because I know how many people are going through the struggle right now. and loneliness is worse than it ever was. Suicide rates are through the roof.  if I can show people that vulnerability, it’s not just about being. Trying to get sympathy from people.

It’s about owning your shit. It’s about taking responsibility. And if more leaders can stand up and show people, yes, I’m struggling. I was thinking about taking my own life, but here’s my plan of action. This is what I’m doing about it, and that’s when I knew I needed to quit my job at Alpha inbound as CEO. Hand my notice in with not that much savings in the bank. and basically tell Josh. He was surprised at the time when I told him. because the other twist to this was that woman actually worked in the company. She was in the company with me, and no one else knew about it. So it was like we had this secret relationship in the company. which made it really fucked up. It was just a complete mess.

But there were so many memories in there, I just could not continue. So I handed in my notice, and then I came across the idea of David to Goliath. and the whole thing is, it’s basically documenting my comeback from near suicide. to building this massive community to help other entrepreneurs and show them that. Because the biggest thing really is self belief. Now, I. Even though I had that experience, I did. I had the gratitude. I had someone believe in me, and I know that so many people don’t have that. And the greatest underdog story of all time, David versus Goliath. Now, I’m not here to talk about religion. but David had self belief passed on to him. with a slingshot and a few pebbles. he dared to be great and beat the mighty Goliath.

So that’s where the name comes from, but it’s obviously slightly different. because it’s a transformation from David to Goliath. It’s about going from nothing, from struggling, from losing everything. to building something great and I basically got this audacious goal that in one calendar year. I’m going to grow a newsletter. which ultimately, that is a community. from zero to 100,000 people. So we’re nine weeks in right now. We’ve got 10,000 subscribers, and I am literally. because I quit my job, this is my entire life. I am literally putting everything on the line. because maybe I could have stayed in that job. but I wanted people to know that I’m in the struggle with them, too. And, it’s real shit, and the content, what I’ll say is the content just hits harder. when it’s coming from the soul.

Pamela Bardhi: Amen.

Your authenticity radiates far more than any other frequency known on earth

And speaking of that, hearing you speak from the soul just now, I just had chills everywhere. Thank you for that, truly.  it’s the power in speaking your truth and your emotions and release and all of that. and just the vibration of authenticity. first off, that radiates far more than any other frequency known on earth that authenticity. it radiates from you, and it does. Even through the screen and through your energy, feel it all and even through your voice. It’s incredibly powerful.

And I love that you put yourself in this state that you’re going to help other people. You’re going to show them, like, hey, listen, I’m not somebody who is above you. I’m literally going through it right now, right there with you. and I could not commend you even more. because the amount of mental resilience. all of that that it takes to even talk about it is a really big deal.

Nigel Thomas: Yeah, and look, I’ll be honest. That woman, she’s gone and found a new partner now, and obviously that’s really hard and stuff. She cut me out of her life, and it all just ended horribly. And m I’m not here to point fingers and blame and all that sort of stuff and taking self responsibility. but what I’m telling people is that I made the decision. My feelings don’t control me, and every single day I struggle. But what I started doing is I’ve got a friend, Dan, who’s helping me build these newsletters. so he builds out all these comics and epic storytelling. takes about 50 hours to put together each one of them. and we go on runs, like, four times a week. So we get up in the dark, cold rain of Manchester at 06:00 a.m. In the morning.

Me and him just go on a run, and I have this thing where it’s basically like we’ve got two voices in our heads. One is the voice of the victim, the one that tells me to stay in bed. that tells me, there’s nothing worth living for that nearly took my own life. But there’s another voice, the voice of the champion, the voice of the underdog, the one that wants to fight. And that’s the one that takes control in those morning runs. it stamps out the voice of that victim one stride at a time, and that’s what I’m looking to do. I’m looking to empower the voice of my champion and then tell other people to empower their champions within them. because people call it different things.

But we’ve all got those two voices in our heads. and a lot of people just don’t understand that if you’re in constraint, if you have a lot of pressure. That’s why the underdog thing works so well. because out of constraint, that’s where the biggest innovation happens. because it puts your brain in a state where you need to figure out solutions. Like, I need to figure out this 100k goal. I’m willing to do anything. Me and my friend were talking the other day. It was like, if we get to the end of the year and we’re at, I don’t know, 80,000 subs. and we’ve got one month left, maybe we’ll just tattoo QR codes on our chest and just run on at a massive sporting event.

And, yeah, we’re going to get arrested, but we’ll get all the subscribers we need. so we’ll do crazy shit like that, and that’s what, those kind of ideas don’t come when you’re safe and comfortable. It comes when you’re in constraint. But I think for people who are struggling right now, you got to use that to your competitive advantage. because the people who are further ahead of you are a bit more comfortable. They’re not in that situation anymore. So that’s your biggest, competitive advantage. And I want to tell people that if you want to work really hard.  you’re in that building season of your life in this world where everyone’s talking about work life balance. I appreciate that.

Pamela Bardhi: You do.

Nigel Thomas: You. At the end of the day, I’m not here to judge, but sometimes you need to be obsessed. Sometimes you need to be the 1%. You need to stand out from the crowds. and I’m here to tell people that’s okay. To do that I’m giving you permission to be yourself, and even if your family tell you it’s not okay. you are the only person who is going to be lying on your deathbed.  in your head thinking, what if? And, honestly, any short term pain right now pales in comparison to dying with that last breath, with regret.

Pamela Bardhi: Absolutely. 100,000%. and that’s actually one of the biggest things that I tell people all the time. One of my biggest quotes is, regret is far worse than fear. Like you said, can you envision yourself on your deathbed doing that? I’ve seen three people now pass away right in front of me. and every single time they get there. And I think, for me, it resonates super har. because I’ve seen it live with my loved ones and really seen them talk about. to me that’s imprinted in my mind that I can never be that I could never be that.

I never want to get to that point where that’s me saying that I wish I did. Well, what if I don’t want to be asking those questions? I want to say, hey listen, I fell flat on my face right here. But you know what? I got back up and we were able to do this and then that’s what drives me because like you said it, pale. Any short term pain will pale. That whole thought, you being there that one day and that is incredibly powerful that you mentioned that. Absolutely.

Nigel Thomas: The thing is really, I know there’s credentials out there and people study at great universities and stuff like that. but really the best thing you can have on your quote unquote cv is a story. And if you think about the heroes and your favorite movies. none of them were born billionaires with everything given to them. because that’s a shit storyline. The storyline of the underdog where you had nothing, you went to rock bottom and you climbed back. That’s, they’re the best stories.but no one’s going to believe in you. So you have to be the one who builds that story. But I think a really good frame for me was when I was obviously thinking about taking my own life.

If you’re thinking about taking a risk right now, you’re never regretting it

I was like, well, fuck, imagine how good the story will be if in one calendar year. I could build 100,000 person community. and then use that story obviously to go and inspire more people. And I just kept on thinking. I was like, imagine how epic that story was going to be, and then back to the whole. When you’re fast forwarding that to the end of your life. if you ask the question to your older self, I don’t think that you’re ever going to think. If you’re thinking about taking a risk right now and you’re kind of scared about it. because of outside external judgement, you’re never going to regret living a more epic story. No one ever got to the end of their life and said, fuck, I wish I’d taken less risk and had a better story to write.

And they’re the times when you’re going to be older and you’re going to be sitting back in that rocking chair.  whatever you’re doing with your life, and you won’t be able to do much then. but you’ll be able to look back and think, fuck, yeah, I took those crazy risks. I did that crazy shit, and I’m so happy right now. Now I can share my story, inspire more people. But you know what? Look in the mirror. I’m proud of myself. I’m proud that I did that. and I have made that contract and that commitment to myself.

And this is why I’ve got this chain around my neck. I bought that as a contract to myself to remind myself from this day forward. that I’m just going to live true to myself. Like I said, I don’t care anymore about external opinion. and I’m just going to be my weird, wacky self, and there’s 8 billion people in this world. So the people who will love you for who you really are. you don’t have to fake it. They’ll find you.

Pamela Bardhi: Amen. Absolutely, and there’s so many key points. I have so many thoughts, as we’re discussing. There’s just so much. And your power, your energy, your passion is absolutely incredible.

Nigel says there are two voices in your mind, and you choose

Nigel, I do want to appreciate your remarkable, and I love that you mentioned something earlier. that you mentioned that there’s two voices in your mind. And you choose. One is your demons. The other one is your champion. That’s your inner self.

Nigel Thomas: Yeah, that’s right. The victim voice is loud. It screams at me.

Pamela Bardhi: It is, and I love that you found that distinction, though, because it’s super important. And for anybody who’s listening right now, understand that there are those two voices. One is your demons, and the other side is your inner self that really knows you. and it’s who do you pay attention to?

Nigel Thomas: Yeah.

Pamela Bardhi: Which one. That awareness, I think, is so important to understand that that’s not just you. You’ve got, your fears are aka your demons, and then you’ve got that champion in you. which is your inner voice, which is your true self. your higher self that’s talking to you through source, energy, universe. Whatever it is that you want to call it, whatever it is that you believe in. That exists for a reason. And it’s like, who do you want to choose? Is one of the biggest things that I learned. and one of the things I’ve struggled with as a kid growing up. I was like, well, why is there bad in world? For what reason does this exist if there’s a God.

This was a question asking, like, super young. And the most powerful thing my theology teacher taught me was, Pam, there’s free will in this universe. and that is exactly why God gave us that free will. For a reason. But you choose, at the end of the day, what voice are you going to listen to? And that’s incredibly powerful, and also in your situation. I think that despite the pain of what happened in that relationship. I think that the greatest gift that was given to you was that belief in yourself.

Nigel Thomas: Yeah. And it’s funny, because that woman actually used to always say to me. the best gift you can give anyone is believing in them. But the best person to believe in is yourself. 

Pamela Bardhi: And maybe that was the reminder. They say that in our lives, patterns really surface a lot and every relationship is a lesson. There’s a lesson in that.

Nigel Thomas: Oh, yeah. There was a lot of lessons, hard as they are. 

Pamela Bardhi: But sometimes to break those patterns, certain things have to occur.  And we’ll never understand these things. This is just the lessons that the universe plans for us here in this lifetime. But, I think that’s incredibly powerful and how you’re taking all of that as motivation. to really get to the other side and really having that self awareness. So I just think it’s incredibly powerful because for anybody who’s listening right now. where if you’ve had somebody who’s really hurt you. or there’s been a scenario where you feel down and out. understand that you’ve got those two voices. you can look at the situation and ask yourself. like, not, why is this happening to me? For what reason? What is the lesson behind this? It’s happening for me. 

So if you shift that mindset of, like, this is happening for me, not to me. you have that ability to get out of that victim mindset. really understand the lesson that was there. And listen, grief is not something that heals overnight. It takes time. but at least kind of that gives you that peace of mind to say. I can move forward from this slowly as much as it takes.  that’s super important to recognize and to really move forward with all. I’m just, I’m super moved by everything that you’re saying, nigel.

It’s inspiring because you never know who’s going through a similar situation. or it’s really down and out, and you’re giving people the greatest gift through your newsletter of that belief in themselves. I always say, too, one of my biggest lessons is that whole cheerleading mentality. If you can be somebody’s cheerleader and be that reflection and that mirror back to them.  listen, I believe in you, you’ve totally got this. And shine that light back on them, it makes all the difference. In the world you could ever have.

Nigel Thomas: Yeah, it really is and the interesting part is. that when I actually found out that person’s actually got a new partner now and they’re happy with them. whatever I was like, because my friend asked me. because I found out about it. And it was weird, actually, because literally the day I was about to launch the newsletter. I came across a video on Facebook, and I’ve not seen that person in six months with their new partner. and I was, like, all over the fucking place. I had to run upstairs to the balcony of the office that I was in. just get some fresh air, and Dan was there, my friend who was helping me with this. he asked me this really potent question, which was really deep. but it made a lot of sense for me.

And he basically said, would you trade your place now with that guy. and have this woman all to yourself and not have David to Goliath? And all these people, all these people are already. after a few newsletters in, starting to reach out. telling you how much you’re helping them. Would you trade places for that? I just looked at and I said, no. you couldn’t give me any money in the world. I wouldn’t trade places, and that gave me gratitude in that moment to know. that I had to go through this experience.

And maybe it was written in the stars. And, I believe that the universe arcs to the truth eventually, and now I can take that energy. obviously empower my champion and move forward. but I can’t be doing this if I didn’t go through that experience. I can’t have one without the other. So now, obviously, I’ve just got to make the most of it and inspire all these people. know that all this pain that I’ve been going through. it was worth it and I’m going to make sure it was worth it.

Pamela Bardhi: Absolutely, and thank you for sharing that. It’s just so interesting because I’ve had in my past, too, a partner who cheated. And that was one of the hardest blows that I’ve ever experienced. It’s like, you might as well just have just left me and then just go on and do your own. Just leave. Just don’t even get into the whole thing. For me, it was extraordinarily painful and I just remember just sitting back and saying. you know what? somebody does this to you. It’s a projection of their own energy, number one. and their own pain and their own problems. and a reflection of their own insecurities, number one. Number two, just let karma play out over time.

Nigel Thomas: Yeah, right?

Pamela Bardhi: And for you chose to empower yourself in that moment and say, no, I wouldn’t trade places. Because you know what? that experience, like I said, that relationship was a lesson for you. and propelled you to be where you are today. So it’s almost like the fact that you said you held gratitude. It’s incredible.

David says once you commit to someone, the whole universe unfolds for you

And it was the same thing. It took me back to those moments where I was like, oh, my God, I don’t think I could. I was in this dark place at that point in time as well and I just remember thinking these things. And then my mentors and my partners and everybody. everybody saying. one of my best friends was saying, she’s like. Pam, do you seriously think that’s a healthy relationship for you in your future? The person that’s destined for you would never play that shit. That’s literally what she said. She’s like, that’s not true love. That’s manipulation at core. Knowing that you know who that person is now, would you ever?

Nigel Thomas: I said, no, this is a blessing.

Pamela Bardhi: And then months later, I found my now husband. We started dating, and then everything came into place and all that. once you go out there and you commit to you as you are, from David to go, the whole universe is going to unfold for you.

Nigel Thomas: And that’s the most magical, I’m excited about that and look for that person. The way I get around those thoughts is instead of trying to message them m and argue and whatever else. I’m just going to be like, just let the results do the talking. You’ll know how low and everyone else will, how low I went from how high I rise. Because let me tell you now, if I’ve got a heart that beats and lungs that work. I will never, ever give in, because my purpose and mission now is so strong. It has nothing to do with money. I’m not materialistic in the slightest. As long as I’ve got good people around me. I’ve got the tools I need, and money is a resource to be able to scale things faster. And I understand business, but I’m good.

I’ve faced death after that, I’m good. I am going to make sure 100%. that this thing plays out the way it needs to and I’m going to inspire all these people. and it’s a great way to live with purpose. And I think for a lot of people, if they listened to that champion more and took risks and rolled the dice on themselves. they would find that and I think a lot of people. they’ve just pushed that voice down so much that they can’t hear it anymore. And that’s why you see people online, all these trolls and stuff, blaming other people. one of my favorite quotes ever from, obviously, the man, the arena from Theodore Roosevelt.

It’s not the critic who stop having goes other people who are taking a bet on themselves. because they’re going to have failures. All right? I fail every single day. I told you before we started this, our beehive account got shut down. I was freaking out. This is what happens when you take action. But instead of having to go other people and obviously blaming external circumstances. look in the mirror and sort yourself out first. because it’s the man or the woman who’s actually in the arena who’s living a worthy cause. because you never, ever want to, like Theodore Roosevelt said. rest with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.

Pamela Bardhi: Amen. I absolutely love that.

Nigel: Thank you for sharing that inspiring quote with me

And that just took me to one of my quotes. one of my favorite quotes that my mentor actually. she taught me through the poem of, invictus. So I don’t know if you’ve heard it, but it’s like the end is. I am the master of my fate and captain of my soul.

Nigel Thomas: Love that. never heard that before. Thank you for sharing.

Pamela Bardhi: I’m definitely going to send you that poem because it’s powerful. and I think that it’s going to resonate a lot with you. But that is literally what I have on her tomb. Everything is like, that was her favorite poem, and she always would tell me. I never really knew why she was so into it, and I found it in her notes after. when we were going through all of her stuff. But, she would always say, like, pam, remember, you’re the captain of your own soul. You’re the master of your fate. Okay? Just listen.

And it’s exactly for you, is the same message, is you remember, you’re the master of your fate, captain of your soul. you taking that control and really driving yourself to where you’re going now with such purpose, such intention. such drive that’s going to take you tremendous places. you’re coming at it from an authentic place to help other people. So automatically, right off the bat, that’s going to be something tremendous. And I would love to hear from you, Nigel.

What would your older self tell your younger self based on what you know now

I’m intrigued to know this is my favorite question that I always ask. and I always save it the best for last for that exact reason. Now, based on your whole life experience, everything today. what would your older self tell your younger self based on what you know now?

Nigel Thomas: Take risks, and by the way, if someone edited the podcast, it didn’t cut there. I was thinking, but take massive risks and dare to be great, and I think that the thing is. when you look in the mirror, a lot of people avoid that. And I’m talking about when you really look in the mirror, look for the truth. because the truth is often very ugly, but if you can face the truth. there was this thing I came across the other day from Tom Hardy. when he was preparing for the movie of Bronson. essentially the Bronson character. like the actual guy who’s basically one of the most famous guy in prison, in the UK. He used to do all these crazy things, and Tom Hardy played him. It’s a great movie called Bronson.

And Tom Hardy was going through this breakup because obviously it’s a big thing in my life. and I’ve had this with friendships and stuff as well. He basically said to him that, in order to really grow as a person. you need to be willing, no matter how painful it is, to cut a little piece of yourself off, in order to grow. And I think that’s what the older person would say to me is sometimes people are there for a season. but you need to be able to let go, because I have a really hard time of letting go of things. I don’t trust many people and the people I do. I give everything, and I saw this quote the other day from Simon Sinek, where he said. this is the best definition of love I’ve ever come across.

And it just hit me so deeply because this was the truth for me. You basically give the power to someone who can destroy you in the trust that they won’t do it. That’s exactly what I did. and I was destroyed. But when you realize that, you’ve got to be honest. look in the mirror and be able to cut that piece of you off in order to let yourself spread your wings and grow. and know that on the other side of that, there’s massive growth coming. because this is definitely not going to be the first and last relationship or challenge I’m going to have to overcome.

This is just practice for bigger tests. but I’ve got to get in that mindset and being able to let go. then move on and obviously let that empower my journey forward. So that’s what the older person would say and trust in yourself with that self belief. that it’s going to work out because no one’s coming to you. no one’s coming to give you that blueprint of exactly how it’s going to work out. That’s for you to figure out. And everyone asks, what’s the meaning of life? That, for me, is the meaning. It’s pioneering your own path and figuring it all out yourself.

Pamela Bardhi: Absolutely, and tapping into the champion sound voice in your head. I think that is the biggest takeaway that I’ve gotten from our conversations. that you really tapped into that. And then the more you listen to the champion voice, the less you hear the other.

Nigel Thomas: Yeah, and the other one never goes away. this is not a game which you win. It’s not a complete game, it’s an ongoing battle. But the other voice, just like we’re creatures of habit, gets stronger. and the more you empower that thing and you do the things that you know you want to do. but are hard and uncomfortable, you basically rewire your own identity in real time. And by the way, people say that you can’t change and leopard the same spots. It’s all bullshit. Those people just aren’t willing to change.

And when someone from your past says to you, oh you’ve changed. well, my response would be then, well, what? You haven’t, because the only thing in life and evolution is change. Anyway, the reason we’re here having this conversation today and not sat around in caves. because our ancestors went through massive growth and changed. So it’s on us to be able to change and then lead the world in a better place than we found it. and I think for a lot of people, that’s uncomfortable. But for us entrepreneurs, we don’t call it change, we call it growth, and there’s a reason for that.

Pamela Bardhi: I absolutely love that.

All about underdog stories and comebacks

Oh, my goodness, Nigel, you are incredibly inspiring, motivating. I love your story, your experiences, just everything and everything that you’re doing, I mean, it comes from such heart, such spirit. and we’re all fighting battles every day in different areas of our lives. And I just love your vulnerability and your spirit and just everything. Your energy radiates, my friend, and you’re going to change so many lives out there. you’re going to give so many people hope on what you’re sharing.

So I’m so excited for you and continuing to build this. You’re at 10,000 right now. In nine weeks, you’re going to surpass that 100k goal. I mean, you can count me in as a subscriber. I want to know all the details personally and anybody who’s listening right now. And I’m going to ask you for all the details for your newsletter. so everyone can opt in and really connect with you. Because I think what you’re doing is so incredible for the world. and it’s just going to help so many people out there, so if you wouldn’t mind sharing.

Nigel Thomas: Yeah, of course.

Pamela Bardhi: Or sharing a little bit more about it?

Nigel Thomas: Definitely, yeah, 100%. So, David, is where you can go and subscribe for free to the newsletter. Every Tuesday we’ve got two emails that go out. One on Tuesday, one Thursday, so every Tuesday, I’m basically talking about the comeback. Talking about how I’m building this thing, the mindset that I’m using. the things that I’ve done in business to help me grow my businesses in the past. how I’m implementing those on this. Then also shared resources and recommendations. Then also just me vulnerably opening up about the struggle and what I’m actually going through. And then on Thursdays, we’re interviewing some of the best underdogs of our generation. So, for example, Sean Riley, we had on recently a friend of mine.

He basically built a wet white business to compete with the toilet paper goliaths. he won the heart of Mark Cuban on Shark Tank. and he scaled his business from zero to 100 million in six years. And these guys like the conviction they have is just absolutely ridiculous. So, yeah, we’re all about underdog stories and comebacks. honestly, if you want the highlight reels, David Tuglife is not for you. If you want raw, unfiltered, naked personality splashed all over, David Tuglife is the one for you. so subscribe, get involved. I’m also on LinkedIn. I post content there every single day. We’ve got a podcast as well. Check it out on Spotify. David to Goliath. Just send me a message.

I want to know if you listen to this podcast and tell me about your underdog story and how you’re coming back. how you’re empowering that voice of the champion. Because, yeah, I’m going for this 100k goal in one year. But that 100k isn’t just a number. It’s a representation of every single individual who’s escaping a life of mediocrity. Getting rid of that victim, empowering the voice of the champion. No matter how weird or wacky or obsessive they are. they’re listening to themselves and they’re going to die with no regrets. So be a part of the movement and tell your friends, and tell me, and just get involved. Rewrite history. And as I always say, pam, keep dreaming like a giant. but fight and believe in your dreams like a goddamn, underdog baby.

Pamela Bardhi: That’s like Mike’s drop. There’s nothing else I could say after that. That’s going was, you’re amazing, nigel. You are outstanding.

Nigel says without Pam, this podcast wouldn’t have happened

Nigel Thomas: I absolutely can say one thing, and I wanted to end on this. which is, I don’t think a lot of people who listen to these podcasts realize how much effort goes into running a podcast. It looks like from the outside in, if you’ve not got experience. just like a quick know of a friend, but it’s not. And I just wanted to take a second to say to Pam, thank you. Firstly, thank you for all the effort you put in. because people out there need to hear this message and you’re inspiring a lot of people.

And secondly, you don’t realize the people that will never contact you who really need this message. I think it’s important to understand that and keep doing it for them. And, for any of those people who haven’t yet reached out. what I’d say is, please just reach out to Pam and just tell know what you like about this podcast. just show your appreciation and support. So you should be proud of yourself, Pam. Thank you for all the effort you put in. It’s amazing.

Pamela Bardhi: Thank you so much, Nigel. Truly. I mean, it’s such a gift to be able to connect with incredible souls like you. When I started this, it was really, I wanted people to really understand the story of who you are. where you’ve been, where you’re going.  how anybody who’s successful that you look at really has a story behind it. And it’s not just an overnight thing that you see on social media. And so I figured maybe a couple of people would listen in and that was it then.

Now we’re streamed in over 90 countries in the top 1.5% of podcasts in the world. because of people like you that come on and share their stories so authentically. in such a vulnerable way that has helped so many people. So I got to give the credit, really, to you and all the guests that have come on. because without you, this wouldn’t have happened, so I just. Thank you so much. I mean, I know you’re 6 hours ahead there in Manchester. and here you are telling your story with me, so I’m super grateful for you, Nigel.

Nigel Thomas: A great way to spend a Friday night. And I appreciate you giving me this opportunity. Pam.

Pamela Bardhi: My gosh, I’m so grateful for you. Thank you so much, my friend. And I’m so excited to see you hit that. I’m going to hit subscribe on your newsletter.

Nigel Thomas: Let’s do it.

Pamela Bardhi: Thank you so much.

Underdog is always dropping on Thursday on Meet With Pamela

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