Anjel B. Hartwell

From overcoming adversity to building a thriving career, Anjel B. Hartwell’s journey from adversity to empowerment explores the strategies and mindset shifts that have enabled her to overcome obstacles and turn setbacks into stepping stones. Be inspired by Anjel’s passion for personal development and her mission to help others unleash their full potential, and take away actionable advice and heartfelt encouragement to navigate your own challenges and pursue your dreams with confidence.

Anjel B Hartwell, a resilient entrepreneur and podcast host, has overcome adversity to create a successful career in real estate and spirituality. Despite a challenging childhood, she graduated early and found success in real estate, integrating spirituality into her business practices after a profound awakening through yoga. Hosting award-winning podcasts like “Wickedly Smart Women” and “Leading Visionaries,” she shares insights on personal growth, wealth, and spirituality, aiming to help others achieve their highest potential. Through her work with clients worldwide, Anjel offers practical wisdom and inspiration to embrace wealth and personal growth.

Key Takeaways:

  • External vs. Internal Motivation: She discussed her shift from being motivated by external expectations in her real estate career to seeking self-motivation and fulfillment through personal and professional development.
  • Balance in Focus: She highlighted the importance of balancing focus on money in both “hard” and “soft” industries, emphasizing that neglecting financial aspects can hinder sustainability.
  • Definition of Wealth: Anjel defines wealth beyond money, encompassing time, health, imagination (intellect and intuition), the ecosystem of exchange (relationships and opportunities), and fun with friends, family, and fellow travelers.
  • Clearing Personal Channels: She emphasizes the importance of addressing underlying traumas and emotional issues to clear one’s channel for divine inspiration and true wealth creation.
  • Compassion and Self-Awareness: Anjel advocates for compassion towards oneself and understands that trauma can impact physiological and psychological responses, which must be addressed for true prosperity.
  • Personal Practices and Future Plans: She shared her current projects, including her two podcasts, “Wickedly Smart Women” and “Leading Visionaries,” and her consultancy work.

If you’re looking for a podcast episode that tackles both financial and personal fulfillment, then definitely tune in! Discover how overcoming personal challenges and embracing spiritual awakenings can significantly influence and enhance one’s business journey. 

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Anjel B. Hartwell’s Empowering Journey that Blends Entrepreneurship, Real Estate, and Spirituality

Pamela Bardhi: Hello, everyone, and welcome to the Underdog podcast. Today I have an incredible guest here with me. Angel, how are you?

Anjel B. Hartwell: I am so well and so glad to be here. Thank you so much for having me, Pamela.

Pamela Bardhi: So thankful to have you here, angel. Oh, my goodness, the blessing of seeing you a few days ago in person. Which was amazing at the first event that we had with CBL, and that was the coolest thing ever. And just, man, I can only imagine how the conversation today is going to go based on what we did.

Anjel B. Hartwell: We’re both still buzzing.

Pamela Bardhi: Still buzzing. It’s amazing and, like, your journey is tremendous. And we got into it a little bit when we were together but I’m like, hold on. I want to hear the whole thing in detail when we’re together. Down, sitting down for the interview. So I’m so excited. Thank you again so much for being here. Genuinely, I just can’t wait because all the magic that you’re working on today, I know there was an origination point. That was probably right when you were born because that’s how magical you are. But I’m going to reel it all the way back a bit because, you know, it’s funny, the origination points. You know, what we dream of as kids sometimes really does manifest.

Angel says when she was nine, she decided she wanted to be a heart surgeon

So as a kid, angel, what did you want to be when you grew up? Like, what was your dream?

Anjel B. Hartwell: Great question. I was a reader, and my dad had a subscription to the Reader’s Digest. Back then, there used to be every month in the Reader’s Digest, there would be an article. Like, I am Joe’s kidney, or I am Joe’s heart, or I am Joe’s brain, or I am Joe’s liver. And I loved those articles, and so when I was nine, I decided I wanted to be a heart surgeon. That’s what I was going to be when I grew up from that article, I am Joe’s heart. So that is not exactly what happened. Although I do, at this juncture in my journey. In the work that I do with my clients, there’s a lot of heart surgery going on. It’s just not the kind where you have to put on the gloves, and be in a sterile environment.

Pamela Bardhi: There you go. But still reflective of what you wanted to be as a kid, and that’s amazing. You’re activating so much in people, through your clients and all the work that you’re doing, which is so fascinating. It’s incredible. And so, as you were growing up, who or what. Or it could be multiple things that inspired you kind of as you were growing up.

Anjel B. Hartwell: So as I was growing up, I think my favorite teacher was actually my anatomy and physiology teacher. Because I was just a sciencey geek. I loved anatomy and physiology, I really loved her. She was like a very independent, like, single woman in an era where most women were not single. If you were divorced, it was an issue. And so she was like one of those power women who was wickedly smart. You know, just a really great role model for what would be possible. What could be possible as a kind of independent woman not really dependent upon men for your identity.

Sarah Blakely is the woman who invented Spanx

And it’s interesting, Pamela, because I was just watching on Instagram, I saw Sarah Blakely. I think her name is the woman who invented Spanx, she was having a little Instagram conversation. She was saying to the people she was there with, you know. Do you know what year it was before women were allowed to get a business loan? So do you know what year it was, Pamela. Before women were allowed, without having to have a man’s signature to get a business loan?

Pamela Bardhi: Was it in the 1980s?

Anjel B. Hartwell: 1980. 819. 88, which is not that long ago. So, you know, she was definitely a model for me because she had her own house and she had, you know, her job. She was a teacher and she didn’t have a man to make her whole. Like, her identity sort of in a time where that was an unusual thing.

Pamela Bardhi: Wow. Sarah’s amazing. She’s a friend of one of my really good friends. So I’ve heard that whole journey with her. It’s so inspiring and awesome. It’s amazing how Spanx was built and just the whole thing.

Anjel B. Hartwell: So I’m going to shout out to misses Morse, Sandra Morris. She was a misses, but she wasn’t a missus. They called her misses Morris, I don’t know where the mister was, but she was single. I want to shout out to misses Morse and thank her for being my teacher.

Pamela Bardhi: It’s so incredible. I mean, it’s just, it fascinates me. Right? Like 1988 was the first time, I was born in 1991. So that’s like, super. He’s only a few years older than me. This is nuts to think about because I see so many powerful women now and it’s incredible and it’s so inspiring. Because, you know, when you have a role model that’s actually out there and doing it, and you see a real life example. Real life example, really, like, it just kind of elevates everything. It helps you think that it’s that much more possible because this person did it, right?

Anjel B. Hartwell: That’s right.

Pamela Bardhi: A big piece of motivation. I love that, angel, I love that.

I grew up in New Hampshire, and it was considered a bedroom town

Oh, my goodness. And as you were growing up, where did you grow up? Were you in mass? Where were you in the.

Anjel B. Hartwell: Grew up in New Hampshire, I actually was born right in the city that I live in right now, which is Nashua. I was born in Nashua, but my family had a house in Hollis, New Hampshire, which is the next town over. It was considered a bedroom town, there were a lot of fairly wealthy people in the town that I grew up in. There were land, wealthy people because it was a farm town. And then there were also wealthy, like, professionals, doctors and lawyers. My dad was just like. He was like, we were firmly in the middle of the middle class. We were, like, smack dab in the middle of the middle class.

He was a used car sales manager, at a Chevrolet dealership here in Nashua. So, yeah, I grew up in, kind of, an idyllic environment. Now I look back and I was like, wow, that was pretty idyllic, growing up in a cow town. You know, the farmer would shut down the street every day at 05:00 so that the cows could cross over. And when I was growing up, I hated it. I just was like, get me out of here. How soon can I get out of here? How soon can I get out of New Hampshire? Now I have a very strong fondness for the whole area. I’m grateful that this was kind of my roots, I really am grateful for that.

Pamela Bardhi: I love that.

My dad was an alcoholic. My mom was probably undiagnosed with mental disorder

And I really want to get into your journey, too. Walk me through high school and beyond. Like, what was the journey? Because, like, what?

Anjel B. Hartwell: You’re like, whoa, so, you know, the real situation in my household was challenging. Even though I grew up in a kind of idyllic environment. My dad was an alcoholic, he was a raging, abusive alcoholic. My mom was probably undiagnosed with some kind of mental health issue, maybe borderline personality disorder or something like that. It was a very difficult, traumatic, challenging childhood. I was also really smart. Like, I was so smart that when they put me in nursery school, the nursery school teacher said, she’s too smart to be in nursery school. So we sent her to kindergarten. And then when it was time to be done with kindergarten and go into first grade. Because I was too young to go into first grade, they wouldn’t let me go into first grade.

So I did kindergarten and then a year at home, and then first grade. It was really weird. And so all the kids I went to kindergarten with were actually now a year ahead of me. Then by the time I was in third grade, I was too smart for third grade. I’d finish everything before everybody else, and then they’d send me back to first grade to read to the first graders. It’s a little confusing, so I ended up graduating a year early, mostly to just get out. Like, how soon can I get out of the challenging environment? Had my first job when I was like nine, I was house cleaning, I was babysitting. I started working to have a real job when I was 15, 16 years old, at the restaurant down the street.

Bought my own car, all those things, and I left when I was at the end of my junior year. I graduated a year early, so I ended up graduating with the kids that I had gone to kindergarten with. It’s really kind of weird. And went to Penn State. My dad lost his job two weeks before I graduated, and so I went to Penn State for a year. Lived with my sister, who was much older, my half sister, who was 14 years older than me, something like that. Then I couldn’t go back to college again because there was no money. My dad had made too much money the year before he got fired for me to get loans and grants at the time. Now he was making no money, so there was no money for me to go to college.

It was interesting, like, that whole part of my life was really interesting. So I just went to work. Went to work when I was 17, 18, 19 years old, and I’ve pretty much been working ever since. I did go back to college when I was in my late twenties. Got my bachelor’s in, summa cum laude, bachelor’s in business management. But primarily, I’ve worked pretty much, you know, my whole life. In my younger years, I was the bookkeeper for the drilling and blasting company, and I worked at a paving company. And I did work in restaurants, did a lot of hospitality work, and worked at a banquet hall. Then I ended up in the real estate business, and I started in the real estate business in my early twenties. Was a manager of a condo association management company.

I was the vice president for the Massachusetts division, managed. Had 3000 units, under my management, I bought 100 million in assets. And I ended up at the end of my twenties being the national chairperson of my trade association. Representing one in eight homeowners in the country. I was the youngest national chair, I was the youngest woman national chair of, it was called the community associations Institute. It’s still around. Then I had a spiritual awakening and went off into a whole new direction. So that’s like you got up, to my mid thirties now. Like mid to late thirties with that little history there.

Pamela Bardhi: That’s incredible, oh, my God. Shattering those glass ceilings, that’s amazing. Oh, my goodness. Then you mentioned, of course, my favorite parts, which are the spiritual awakenings, because those are always the best. Those are all, well, not necessarily when you’re going through them, depending on what it is, right. Because healing everyone thinks it’s like this glorious, beautiful thing where you’re sitting under a tree and you’re just meditating. Your fingers are up and that’s, you know, you get this yogi mentality when really healing is an absolute shit show, because it’s all released. Right? Everyone’s like, I was like, you are not doing shit if that’s what you’re doing. I was like, that’s self care, yes. But their healing process is not that fun, you know, because you gotta release all that stuff. And then from there comes the peace and tranquillity.

Anjel B. Hartwell: So totally twofold.

Pamela Bardhi: I guess it’s twofold. First part isn’t that fun. Second part is. So I love that.

G started a yoga practice in 2001 after injuring his knee skiing

Anjel B. Hartwell: Well, you’re gonna love the spiritual awakening story.

Pamela Bardhi: Let’s get into it.

Anjel B. Hartwell: Because what happened was I actually started a yoga practice. I fell down skiing and injured my knee and went to physical therapy. The physical therapy was in the same gym I was in. And I said to the physical therapist at the, towards the end, I was like, what do you think about this yoga thing? Cause I was like one of those get on the treadmill, do the elliptical thing. You know, I was that kind of person. He was like, well, as long as it doesn’t hurt, go ahead, if something hurts, don’t do it. It’s like, okay. So I started a yoga practice in 2001, and within, like, three months. I would say three or four months, I was in yoga class one day and she said, look down at your heart.

And I, like, burst into tears, cause, like, I couldn’t look down at my heart, right? That started in, like, May, June, July, August. So by August, she took us out one day to the park to have a Sunday yoga in the park class. Here I am in final shavasana, under a tree. Literally under a tree. Just the yogi. Like, I’m literally under a tree in the final shavasana. I’m probably doing my mudras with my fingers, and all of a sudden, my third eye popped open. In my third eye vision, I could see this golden white staircase. All of these angelic beings and golden white orbs of light kind of flowing up and down the staircase. But what was really weird for me, and I was a real estate developer.

I was putting together 51 single family houses, 56 apartments in an office building with two partners at the time. We were also going through some personal crisis in the household at the time. All of a sudden, I’m seeing angels and golden white orbs of light. When I sat up and opened my physical eyes, everyone in the park was a golden white orb of light. Everyone in the park. And I literally was seeing with my physical eyes everything that was energetic, I could see these golden white orbs of light. It kept going. Like, it kept on for a while. I left the park. I’m driving, and I could see golden white orbs of light in the cars.

Got home, I said to myself, is this the way I’m going to be seeing from now on? Thankfully I had the yoga community, because if I hadn’t, I would have thought I was going crazy. Probably had to go see a psychiatrist and get a bunch of medicine. But luckily, it sort of faded away. And I had, at that point, just enough of a support system, that I said okay, this is interesting. I began the process of really diving deep into the spiritual aspect of life that was not. It was hidden to me up until that moment.

Pamela Bardhi: That’s insane. And so leading up to that, you were doing yoga, and then that’s what.

Anjel B. Hartwell: Activated it within three months? Yeah, within three months. But I can’t say that that’s the only thing that activated it. Because, really, I had been in a pressure cooker for five years. I had been in a huge pressure cooker for five years. Prior to that, including, my son was sexually assaulted in daycare when he was three. You know, my business partners, I was working six days a week, 12 hours a day. My husband at the time lost it when that happened with my son, and so there was a lot of challenge there. It was like a huge amount of things after hit after hit after hit after hit after hit for about five years. And my sister had a stroke and had a brain aneurysm.

Just, there was just, it was like bam, bam, bam, bam, bam for five years. Then I started yoga practice after I injured myself. And I think it was that 5000 year tradition that carries the activation with it. Because of all of the repetition of 5000 years of practitioners using these poses. Using these intentions to support awakening, and to support enlightenment. All of a sudden I wasn’t expecting that, I was doing yoga for the exercise. I wasn’t doing it for spiritual awakening. But I got spiritual awakening and then some, I got spiritual awakening and then some.

Pamela Bardhi: Gosh, that’s incredible. I’m sure there’s people listening right now that may be going through it. Or have recently gone through it or gone through it in the past. And how do you navigate after that? Right, because once you see, you can’t unsee. So like, what happens next? It’s all new.

Anjel B. Hartwell: Exactly.

Spirit awakening requires some kind of structure of self affirmation, Pamela says

So what happens next? What happened for me, that’s all I can say is two things happened that I think are really important to convey. Number one, I started journaling, and what the journaling allowed me to do was to affirm my own experiences. Because you’re having these experiences and it’s not like, you know, hey, we’re going out for ice cream. You’re having a lick of the chocolate chip on your side and I’m having a lick of the chocolate chip on my side. And we both say, oh yeah, it’s great chocolate chip ice cream. The spirit awakening is your own personal experience and so it absolutely requires some kind of structure of self affirmation. 

So for me, journaling was a big piece of that so that I could look back and say, oh yeah, that did happen. And not like gaslight myself and not think I was completely crazy. Then the other thing that I did is I kept saying yes. Because everything I kept saying yes to starting with, the yoga. But then of course, once the initial spiritual awakening happened, all of a sudden all kinds of other synchronistic things started happening. Books falling off shelves, going to places, and somebody says, oh, you need to buy this crystal. Buying crystals, I had thousands of dollars worth of crystals in the house at one point. All of these synchronicities start to happen. Not the least of which was parts of myself that started to emerge that I didn’t know were there.

My artist came out, my poet came out, my performer came out. The healer that was within me came out. It’s like all these little latent parts of myself suddenly started popping like popcorn. You’re either going crazy or you’re saying yes, you know what I mean? And so I just chose to keep saying yes and keep affirming myself and keep moving forward. Even though it was really counter to everything I had been conditioned to believe I was supposed to be. Do, and have in my life, and even against incredible pushback from, you know, family members, husbands, all the things. You know what I mean? So I think for anybody who is in that space of spiritual awakening, it’s really important for.

For you to find ways to self affirm, whether it’s journaling, whether it’s finding community like we did with conscious business league. You know, for me, I had the yoga community, thankfully. And I will also say that that first awakening was just the first awakening. I will affirm, Pamela, that there is a lot of shit that you have to unpack once you pop open. And, you know, for 20 years now, 22 years now, I guess 23 years now, I’ve just. It’s now, you’re on a journey now, you’re on a journey. There’s like, oh, here’s the next awakening. Oh, here’s the next level of awakening, here’s the next level of healing.

Now it’s just like I live that. It’s like, what is happening in this moment right here, right now, that is for me. What is happening right here, right now, in this moment, that is for me to see in the reflection I have with you. Right? And what do I have in my toolbox now, after 23 years of continuing to say yes. Continuing to add into my toolbox, continuing to experience the grace, the repeated grace to draw on. As I face what’s in front of me right now.

Pamela Bardhi: Absolutely, and that’s one of the things in going through my journey as well. It’s like, you think you’ve unlocked the level, and then another level comes and you’re like, no, I already did, you know? And it’s like, there’s always levels and levels. I always say, like, one of my favorite rap songs is different. Different levels, different devils, and it’s so true. I’m like, man, just when you think you got it, it’s like, well, time for another lesson. Time for another lesson. So it’s so beautiful.

We talked about how business is a spiritual game the other night

My goodness, and we talked about this, like, a few days ago, too. Kind of right before our call and, like, how this really propelled your business forward, right? The other night, we were talking about how business is a spiritual game and all that stuff. Like, when you really get to the granular, it makes so much sense, right? Because wealth and abundance is the ability to receive. And the ability to receive underneath that is this whole piece of self love, self worth, healing, trauma, all of these different things. I’m like, man, it’s so much deeper than that. So I would love to dive into, you know, how it propels you in your business. It’s funny, we have very similar parallels in our spiritual journey, because that’s exactly what I did.

Had made it to Forbes, I admitted, a Time magazine. I was crushing it in real estate development, all the things. Then, like, I had that God tap that was like, hey, pam, doing great things for yourself. What are you doing for the world? And I was like, well, shit, right? So it’s like, oh, you’re like, of the same kind of, you know, and then it’s like, okay, well, then, now what? You know? You’re like, you think you’ve made it, and you worked so hard to get to x. And then you realize it’s really not, I mean, it’s a stepping stone. Of course, all things in our life are, but it’s just fascinating how they all come together.

One thing I’ve noticed in my own journey is this idea of a spiral

Anjel B. Hartwell: Well, I do want to talk about the next level, next devil. I’m going to just push back on that a little bit. Instead of saying, next level, next devil, it’s really whatever’s facing you at the next level is just standing in front of the gift. And the work is looking at whatever that is and saying, oh, I know there’s a gift under there. Like, where? Where’s my gift, like, focusing on that. The other thing I’ve noticed in my own journey is this idea of a spiral. So when I do come around the spiral, like, the first time, it’s really frickin painful.

Then the second time, it’s like, oh, I’m still feeling it, I’m not in it, but I’m still feeling it. The third time, I’m around the spiral, here it is again, I’m seeing it. I’m not feeling it so much, I’m not in it anymore. And then the fourth round of the spiral is, it’s just not even in your life anymore. I have mapped that as, like, the four levels of healing. You’re in it, you’re feeling it, you’re seeing it, and then it’s just not even on the radar anymore. So I will say that we do come out of certain patterns ultimately, and you don’t have to deal with it anymore.

Although in the thick of it, it’s like, holy shit, didn’t I deal with this? Holy shit, didn’t I deal with this? When is this ever going to end? And it’s when you get to the when is this ever going to end? That’s where you say, it’s never going to end. I’m going to just surrender that it’s never going to end, and I’m going to be accepting that. Just, it’s just I’m going to go around the spiral again and then all of a sudden, magically, paradoxically, it’s done.

After my spiritual awakening, the money part has been my biggest teacher

So to speak, to the entrepreneurial journey, I mean, years ago, when I got into the personal and professional development space. Following my spiritual awakening, I got into this space. I realized pretty immediately I wrote an article about it years ago called the twofold path of the spiritual entrepreneur. Because literally you’re on the spiritual path and you’re on the entrepreneurial path and they wind together sort of like DNA. And so if you’re really utilizing your consciousness, then you understand that everything is an extension of you, including your business. Your business then becomes this amazing playground for learning and growth and healing. And so for me, for my business, the big thing that happened with me and for me is the money part was my biggest teacher.

The money part has been my biggest. I’m so grateful to money because it has taught me so much about itself as a distinct frequency. And about myself, in how I treat myself, how willing I am to receive, how much I love myself. How much I am willing to, you know, put a marker in and say, no, I’m not. As an example for many entrepreneurs, they think that they have to price themselves inexpensively at the beginning of their entrepreneurial journey. It’s just a mindset thing. But I counter that with my clients and say, no, why would you, like, you’ve got years of experience. Why are you looking to the left or looking to the right to discern what your pricing is?

Instead of looking at your own situation, your own life, what do you require in order to thrive? And when we get clear that we are the creator of our own reality. Then we also get clear that, you know, your reality, your mom of brand new babies. I am a mom. Of an almost 30 year old. We have different realities, you have different financial requirements. Have a certain level of experience in years of numbers of trips around the sun. You have a different level of experience and trips around the sun. So the pricing question alone, ah, is a playing ground for discerning. Whether or not somebody is willing to welcome wealth or whether they’re warding it off.

Pamela Bardhi: Oh, man. Welcoming wealth and or rewarding it off, because that’s the thing. I mean, when you really get down to it, right? So people come to me and I talk about real estate. I’m sure that, you know, angel, with you, too, when everyone talks to you, I want to get into real estate, angel. You’re like, great. Why? If you start asking yourself, okay, why? Why, you start to understand the intrinsic motivation that you have. And it sounds like such a simple question, but it is such, there’s so much depth to it, right?

So initially, after I had my awakening, it was kind of like, oh, man, I did. I realized I was so, like, money motivated, everything I did in development was for that reason, right? Didn’t realize how much deeper it went, I just love the process of creation. But, you ask any entrepreneur, and anyone, like, in my case, okay, why do you want to get into real estate? Because I want to make a lot of money, why, because I want to spend more time with my family. And they’re like, they look at me and I’m like, why?

Oh, well, because my parents were always working when I was a kid, so, I want to be able. I’m like, okay, now we’re getting somewhere, right? And it’s like you dig deeper and deeper and deeper. It’s fascinating, you know, how all of this really comes together. So I would love for you to get into that piece, because the self worth piece. Like, if you don’t work on your blocks and your trauma there is no way you’re going to be able to receive, right? If you have a do not enter sign at your door, who is going to enter it?

Anjel B. Hartwell: That’s right. Well, you know, the other thing, I think, Pamela, what I’ve noticed, I’m quite sure, in the real estate industry. Because I came from that many people say I want to be in it for the money. When I got into personal and professional development, I had spent 20 years in real estate, right? I had spent 20, and I was in it to just tick off the boxes of what life was. What I believed that life was expecting me to do, you know, okay, go to school, get a degree. Get your job, go up the ladder, have the house, the white picket fence, the kid. The cars in the garage, the dog, the husband, all the things like tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick.

I was just ticking shit off, you know, it was not self motivated. None of it was self motivated. It was all externally conditioned expectations. So when I had the spiritual awakening, then I went all the way to the other side of the spectrum. And I was, like, wide open, let’s just experiment and do whatever, do everything. Spent a good number of years in that zone. You know, just letting myself be the artist and the author and the poet and the, this and the that. But I wasn’t thinking about the money, and so I see a lot of times. Some people who are in the more hard industries will say they are much more focused on the money.

Some of the people who are in the soft industries, they, I don’t even want to think about the money. They don’t want to think about the money. Then what ends up happening is they become bleeding hearts, and they don’t price themselves properly. And they are unable to sustain and create a business that’s going to thrive. So it’s kind of like you’re on one side and I’m on the other. I see a lot of the people who are, the bleeding hearts, right?

Angel says there are five ways to ward off wealth

So I think what I want to also talk about is some of the things that I’ve discovered from my clients. From working with clients, I’ve had clients from all over the world. Over the last almost two decades, my client base has generated. We do talk, money, because money is a measure. Money is a measure of impact, money is a measure of the influence that you might be having. Money is a measure of the value that you’re exchanging if we want to hold it that way. My clients, worldwide, have generated in excess of $100 million over the last few decades.

I myself, from home, mostly in my pajamas, mostly virtually from 2008. As a single mom who was the mom who made all the brownies for every football game, have generated multiple millions of homes. Of money from home, multiple millions of dollars from home. Speaking and sharing my voice and sharing my message. So what I’ve discovered is there are five ways, and how do I know about these five ways? Because I’ve done them all myself, that we actually ward off wealth. And there are antidotes for all of those as well.

Pamela Bardhi: I love that.

Anjel B. Hartwell: Angel.

Pamela Bardhi: Do tell the secrets, my friend. This is awesome.

Anjel B. Hartwell: The first way that we ward off wealth is worrying. One of the things that happened when my third eye popped open is now I’m a seer. Like, I can see, I’m a psychic seer. So when I have a client or somebody near me who’s worried. What worry looks like is a dark, grey, musty smelling, nasty old army blanket that’s wrapped around whatever you’re worried about. And that can be your kids, it can be your health, it can be your money, it can be your clients, whatever. Worry is the first one, and it’s going to push wealth away. It’s going to push wealth away.

The second one is withdrawal. So let’s say, for example, there’s a bunch of people that went to the event on Wednesday night. And they got all excited, and they had all this connection going on, lots of sparks flying. Then they go home and they go, pull all of their energy back, they pull it all back. They don’t continue the momentum of the connections, they don’t continue to say yes to the opportunities or the invitations. They don’t stay in the game, they pull themselves off the court. That’s going to ward off. Well, the third way that we ward off wealth is waffling.

So imagine if you were at an event and you’re working on your entrepreneurship. The speaker at the front of the room makes a $10,000 offer to support you with your entrepreneurship. Then they take a break, and you go to the restroom, and your best friend texts you. Says, oh, my God, that Mediterranean cruise that we’ve been talking about for the last 15 years. It’s on sale for $10,000 right now. And now you’re an entrepreneurship cruise ship. Entrepreneurship cruise ship, and before you know it, both ships have sailed because you’ve not made a decision. Waffling is not being able to make a decision, and it’s going to ward off wealth. Ships are going to sail.

The fourth way that we ward off wealth is whining over wine

The fourth way that we ward off wealth is whining, and this often happens over wine. Although sometimes it can be bellyaching over beer. A lot of times it’s whining over wine. And what happens when we’re whining over wine is, let me just say that. You know, when people come to work with me, there’s a sacred space. That I create for them to tell me all the things, for them to tell me the things that aren’t working. For them to talk about their challenges, for them to be vulnerable. But when you’re out in a public space, and you’re just bitching and moaning and whining over wine. Which lowers your consciousness on its own. Drinking the wine is going to lower your consciousness, if you’re whining over wine.

Now, you are also using the power of your word to impress the universe with all the crap you’re whining about. You’re generally speaking, with other people who are drinking wine or bellyaching with their beer. And now you’ve got a group that’s colluding with your bitching and moaning. So that is definitely going to ward off wealth, and then the last one is waiting on. Waiting on looks like two different things. It could be that you’re waiting on the handsome prince to come and rescue you. A lot of women have that one. It’s maybe, you know, way down below the surface, but it was programmed from the fairy tales, right? Cinderella is waiting for the handsome. Snow White’s waiting for the handsome prince.

Everybody’s waiting for the handsome prince to come and rescue you, you know what I mean? Or you’re waiting on everybody else. Very similar to Cinderella, who was waiting on her ugly stepsisters, in other words. And I see this a lot in mastermind groups, in training programs, where instead of looking at your own stuff. Working on your own business, you’re really busy running around helping everybody else. Oh, I’m just going to take care of this person. I’m going to take care of this person. You’ve now used all your time, energy, and attention to take care of everybody else. Without actually doing anything for yourself. I was a queen at this, and there is a piece of this that is connected to trauma.

This is basically people pleasing or fawning. Trauma has four different responses, it’s literally physiological. It’s a physiological response. You people, please, because you’re afraid at some core, primal level that you’re going to be rejected. Or you’re going to be kicked out of the tribe or you’re going to be in trouble in some way. And so we quote unquote Fawn or people, please, to secure our space in the tribe. Those are the five ways that we ward off wealth. I do want to quickly talk about how I define wealth as well. So I believe that wealth is the sum total of all the resources that we have available to us, not just money.

Pamela Bardhi: I love that. Plus wealth in all areas, right. Sometimes your health is your right. Like, really, genuinely, you think about it. That’s the number one thing that you really cannot buy along with time, those are the two things. So, for a lot of people, time and health is actually the most valuable thing, and money isn’t even a factor.

Anjel B. Hartwell: Right, exactly. I actually have a mnemonic device that I use. It spells thief. T h I e f. Because we are very often stealing from one or more of these places, and these are the resources that we have. Time, health, our imagination, which is a combination of our intellect and our intuition. Then we have the e is our ecosystem of exchange. That’s where the money piece is. But there’s even more in our ecosystem of exchange than money.

Right now, you and I are in an ecosystem of exchange. Because you’re giving me the opportunity to be in front of your audience. There’s no money exchanged here, but we are part of this ecosystem of exchange. And then fun with your friends, family, and fellow travellers on the journey. So often we steal from one or more of these places, and that is how we erode our ability to have a wealthy life.

Pamela Bardhi: Absolutely. And because that’s so true, I mean, imagine you’re working all the time, and then you lose that time away from family. So it’s. You always want to be cognizant of, those time barriers, if you will, more than anything else. I mean, listen, business, at the end of the day, they’ll always be work, there always be a business. Right. But are you setting time aside for you? Allowing yourself to receive that time, you know, are you just busy working? What are you, you know, and I forget, who was it that said it to me? It was like, a couple, couple months ago. It’s like, you know, Pam, you’re super busy, but what’s behind all the busy?

I was like, shit, there we go. Different levels, different devils every time. And so, it’s like, you know, learning that there’s, times that you got to face yourself and really all of that. So there’s so much depth to all of this, and I absolutely love how you broke it down. How do we ward up wealth? What is the reason why we aren’t elevating? Right? Because a lot of people get stuck in one of those five ways. Guess what? If you’re stuck in any one of those fives, you’re not going any higher. You’ve got to correct that. Like I said, no energy is going to come through.

Do not enter, door. Right? And I tell people this, too, because they’re like, pam, you know, I’m thinking about it. Why is it not manifesting, why is it not happening? Angel, I would love your thoughts on it, because the way that I’ve said it to them. I’m like, listen, the universe is going to listen to whatever it is that’s playing in your head. It doesn’t know. The universe doesn’t know it’s right or wrong, so the universe is like, oh, she’s thinking about x. So I’m going to give that to her because that’s what she’s thinking about. Universal, know if it’s right or wrong, doesn’t know morals, principles, whatever.

Angel: There is trauma running below the surface of thought

It’s just science, it’s just energy. So it just picks that right up and gives you exactly what you ask for, think about. And people are like, wow, okay, well. I’m like, so if you’ve got bad programming playing in your brain, that’s what’s going to play out in your exterior reality. Because what’s going on, in here is what happens out there. Right. I would love your thoughts on this.

Anjel B. Hartwell: Yeah, so I want to bring the frequency of compassion to the table on this. Because there is, in fact, trauma that many people are not even aware of that is running below the surface of thought. And so you can think all day long about what you want. You can think to yourself, I’m thinking about what I want. I’m sending out the good thoughts. But what you’re sending out the good thoughts on, is on a pile of that’s underneath those thoughts. So you can’t out think that, it’s impossible to out think that. The other thing that I want to say is part of what we’re up to right now. Collectively, is dismantling the conditioning that we have to manufacture XYZ.

Whether it’s to manufacture a new house for ourselves or a new car for ourselves. Or a wife for ourselves or a husband for ourselves or a baby or whatever. Where that’s all, like, coming from unmet needs from likely our childhood, rather than coming from a divine inspiration. When we’re working on the flow of inspiration, it’s not work. The only work we actually have to tend to, from my perspective, is keeping our own channel clear, right. And when it is divinely ordained, it happens through us rather than from us, if this makes sense. So you can be thinking all the fun thoughts all you want, and literally feel like you’re banging your head against the wall. 

Because you are banging your head against the wall. You would actually be better off to drop the thinking altogether. Instead begin the deep inquiry that says, what’s really behind my worry? Why am I withdrawing every time I put myself out there? What’s the problem with me waffling and being unable to make a decision? Oh, man, I was at that thing the other night and I was whining again. What am I sitting around waiting on all of these other people for instead of looking at my own stuff? And then you can be, bringing the bright shining light of awareness to yourself. Get up underneath those things to get the clarity before you go into action. 

Because if you’re going into action from a place of muddiness, then everything that you create is going to be muddy. And if you’re stuck in that loop of thinking and why isn’t it manifesting? It’s because you’re trying to use your mental body rather than getting up underneath the emotional body. Doing that work and then opening to the spirit and inviting the spiritual body to be driving. Not even driving, but flowing through your vehicle.

Pamela Bardhi: Absolutely. You absolutely nailed it. It’s the God honest truth. If you’ve got programming and all this shit underneath, it’s not going to filter through.

Anjel B. Hartwell: And a lot of people don’t know it, Pamela. They just don’t know it, so I’ve become exponentially more compassionate. Most people are running around physiologically, like, your body is in trauma response, it’s in fight, flight, freeze, or fawn. If your body is stuck in trauma response, no amount of thinking is going to correct that. The work is to be compassionate with your own body because it’s doing the job, it’s doing the job of protecting you. It’s doing the job of attempting to keep you safe, even if it’s hooked on an old incident that never got fully processed. That’s why it’s stuck in this response, it’s still just doing all it has.

This is all our physiology has to help us. And so I’ve become, the more I’ve learned about this and the more I’ve done my own work around this. I’ve become exponentially more compassionate with myself. Because a lot of people say, I’m thinking about it, why isn’t it working? There must be something wrong with me, and now we’re in that cycle of beating ourselves up. Which now puts more trauma on top of the already unresolved trauma, because we’re now beating ourselves up. Just be compassionate with yourself and with everybody. Everybody is just doing their best.

Pamela Bardhi: Absolutely. Amen to that.

Pamela Bardhi: Oh, my gosh. Angel. So. And that’s going to be a huge realization to anyone. Who’s listening right now that could potentially be saying, like, why is this not working? What is really going on with me that it’s not really manifesting into this reality? I love that so much.

What would your older self tell your younger self based on what you know now

And, oh, my gosh, Angela, you’ve been dropping nuggets this whole time, and I absolutely love it. I’m going to ask you my favorite question, I always say the best for last. So what would your older self tell your younger self? Based on what you know now in your whole life journey, business, professional, personal, whatever? Your heart.

Anjel B. Hartwell: Right? So I actually consciously do this regularly. I consciously, regularly send down the timeline to my younger self. The courage to trust what you’re hearing and knowing internally that nobody else can affirm but you. And so I will do that right now to my younger self from ten minutes ago. To my younger self from ten years ago to my younger self from many, many years ago. I’m going to keep sending that, and compassion, just the courage and the compassion.

Pamela Bardhi: I love that so much. And that’s honestly, when I asked that question, so many people’s responses, I want to say 90% always say, chill out. It’s going to be okay. Just trust yourself. 90 something percent of everyone I interview, all 300 plus interviews that I’ve done, comes down to that, yeah, trust.

Anjel B. Hartwell: Yourself and trust life. Like, let’s trust life, too. Instead of having life be something that we’re whining about, have life be something that we’re wondering about.

Pamela Bardhi: I love that, angel. Oh, my goodness. You are such magic. And I absolutely love it.

Angel, what are you up to in the world in the next few months

And I want to know all the things that you’re up to. What are you up to in the world in the next, like, few months? What’s going on in your world? I’m sure there’s people listening to what you got going on next and then how everyone can find you.

Anjel B. Hartwell: In the next few months, I am actually transitioning. A bunch of team members are leaving, and new team members are coming in. I have two podcasts that I’m operating. So we have our fifth anniversary for the number one, internationally ranked, 13 time award winning. I’ll show you all my awards, they’re above my head here, 13 time award winning podcast, wickedly smart women. We are filling chapters in our second book of wickedly smart women, trusting intuition, taking action, and transforming worlds. I’m also working with my other podcast, leading visionaries, we just won our first award with leading visionaries. It’s a top 50 internationally ranked show, which is celebrating its first anniversary next month.

We’re like, in celebration. We have, first anniversary next month for this, and the fifth anniversary for that. And then I’m also always in a consultancy role. I’m working with six, seven, eight figure business owners, supporting them as an executive advisor. Working with them to help them to be able to welcome wealth and to be able to bring their wisdom into. Convert their wisdom into wealth. I help them to convert their wisdom into wealth. So I do have a couple of openings right now in my consultancy practice. And what else is going on? You know, I’m pretty excited, I’m going to have you on Wickedly smart women.

And I feel like we’re just at the beginning of whatever ways we can play together. I’m in that mode of wondering what else the universe is going to bring. Open and receptive to seeing what that is. It’s summer, so I’m going to spend a lot of time outside playing in the forest. Because that’s like, nature has been my healer. So I just came from, before I came here to this interview. I was collecting wild rose petals so that I can make wild rose petal jam. That’s on the, that’s on the agenda, too.

Pamela Bardhi: Oh, my angel. Hey, we’ve got it. Listen, this life is not all about work, right? It’s all about enjoying and nature is our connector. That’s amazing, angel, oh, my goodness. I love what you’re up to in the world, I love your mission, I love your passion. Just all the beautiful things that you’re up to. Seriously, I mean, and anyone who’s listening, they’re going to be like, where can I find her and her awesomeness? What is the best way to reach you, angel?

Anjel B. Hartwell: Yeah, so I have actually a special gift for your listeners, it’s called my eight days of prosperity activation series. It’s a very simple email which, has that, comes every day for eight days, and it’s to intentionally activate your prosperity. It includes some sound healing, because once upon a time, I did sound healing. So there’s some sound healing in that, in each email. Plus there are mindset confrontations. We could call them mantras, but we’re calling them now mindset confrontations, in each email. And that forward slash, the number eight. The word days d a y s, with the d being small, not, not capitalized. You can get the eight days of prosperity activation series there. That includes an invitation to join our global prosperity group on Facebook and other fun things.

Pamela Bardhi: I love that angel. This is so magical. You are so magical. Thank you so much for all your wisdom, sharing your story, all the beautiful things and all the nuggets you dropped. I’m like, I know this is going to be one of those that I’m going to be digesting for the whole weekend. So I appreciate you, I’m so grateful for you. And I think the universe has a lot of magic in store, and I’m just so excited. Thank you.

Anjel B. Hartwell: Thank you for having me.

Pamela Bardhi: So that’s it for today’s episode of Underdog. Catch us next week. Always dropping on Thursdays. And remember, if you’re interested in real estate or want to learn how to create more money and magic in your life. Check out and let’s chat. Sending you so, so much love.


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