Amy Morin, Therapist, and Author, Transforms Lives Through Mentally Stronger

Pamela Bardhi: Hello, everyone, and welcome to the Underdog podcast. Today I have an incredible guest here with me. Amy, how are you?

Amy Morin: I’m doing well. Thanks for having me.

Pamela Bardhi: Thank you so, so much for being here. You are absolutely magical, and I am so excited to hear all of the things. I mean, you just, like, an inspiration, and, ah, right before we got on, you’re like, I’m the least likely. I’m like, no, you’re kind of badass, you are totally qualified to be as awesome as you are. And I can’t wait to hear, like, the whole story behind everything and how you got to where you got to. It always fascinates me to hear the whole backdrop, you know?

Cause everyone tends to see, like, knight in shining armor and, like, the end goal. Like, kind of where you’re at and you’re just like, man. If I could just rewind for you, like, how crazy life has been, right? So I respect that a lot, and I really want to take it all the way back with you. And really ask you, like, as a kid growing up, like, what did you want to be when you grew up?

Amy Morin: Baby, I totally wanted to be a doctor. My entire childhood, teenage years, I was going to be a doctor, 100% convinced. Even, my first day of college, I was a pre med major. Then we had to dissect cats, and everybody in the room was super excited to dissect a cat except for me. And in that moment, it clicked like, no, I don’t actually want to be a doctor. I like the idea of being a doctor, but I don’t want to do it. So I called my sister, and she’s the only person in our family that had graduated from college. And so she had just graduated with a degree in psychology. So I called her and I said, I’m switching my major. I’m thinking psychology, right?

And she said, why don’t you go into social work? Because at least with a bachelor’s in social work, you end up with a license, you get an LSW. A lot of people are much more likely to hire you than somebody with a bachelor’s in psychology. So I said, oh, that sounds good, so I switched my major that day, assuming I would change it later on. I just didn’t want to dissect a cat the next day. Then I fell in love with social work, decided to go on and get my masters and then become a therapist. But it wasn’t what I had planned on doing. But I think I’m much better suited for problems above the neck rather than below.

Pamela Bardhi: I love that. That’s fascinating, and it’s funny how, like, things take different routes. Right? Like, in college, I literally thought that I was going to work, corporate when I graduated. I was going to get my business degree, and that was it. And then everything just kind of went upside down and I switched everything, shifted everything and kind of did that. So it’s funny how life takes a turn, that you’re just like, was not expecting that.

Amy Morin: Right?

Pamela Bardhi: But here we are. Right? Here we are. I love that. And kind of backing it up a little bit, like, where did you grow up? Like, were you in the US? Outside the US?

Amy Morin: Yeah, so I grew up in rural Maine, a small town called Dexter. We were known for Dexter shoe. Almost everybody in my community worked at the shoe factory. And nobody really, like, there weren’t a lot of people that went to college. I’d never met anybody who’s an entrepreneur. Didn’t really know what was out there. I grew up in a middle class family. My dad worked for the post office, my mom was a substitute teacher. So growing up just really didn’t know what I was going to do or where I was going to be. Or couldn’t really imagine a life outside of that small town.

Pamela Bardhi: I love that. And you’re up in Maine? I’m in Boston. So you’re not that far, right?

Amy Morin: Right.

Pamela Bardhi: Maine is not that far from. Is this right? A little bit up north even like within an hour and 15 minutes, I think reach, like southern Maine?

Amy Morin: Yes. Yep. Portland isn’t too far.

Pamela Bardhi: Portland, exactly. I love that, I love that.

In rural Maine, you don’t really get an option to specialize in something

And so transitioning into the social work life after you had graduated, now. Were you still in Maine at that point in time?

Amy Morin: I was, so I became a therapist. Got the typical, like, nine to five job at Community  Behavioral Health Center. Worked at a couple different mental health centers over the years just as a full time therapist. And in rural Maine, you don’t really get an option to specialize in something. Whereas in New York City you might find a therapist who specializes in teenage girls with OCD. In rural Maine, you don’t have that option. We pretty much are going to see anybody within a hundred mile radius who happens to come into our office. So, in fact, the last job that I had, my sister and I.

Cause she ended up becoming a therapist as well. We had adjoining offices and we’re the only two therapists probably within about 100 miles radius. So if you were gonna see a therapist, you’re stuck with basically either me or my sister. And so sometimes, like, she would see the one partner and I’d see the other one. Or I might see the mom and she sees the child. And we have different last names these days, so sometimes people didn’t even know we were sisters. We don’t look that much alike these days, and then they would be like, wait a minute, that’s your sister.

Pamela Bardhi: That’s so hilarious, I love that you guys, like, tag teamed it, that’s hilarious. Within a radius, right? Oh, my goodness, oh, my goodness. I mean, in this line of work, and I feel like it’s just not honored enough when it comes to mental health. Like, mental health, like, quite literally affects everything. And you know, this, and I want to definitely dive some deeper into this. But how was that experience for you and kind of getting into the real world. When it comes to, like, the social work piece of things?

What were some of the things that you were seeing and some of the patterns that you were seeing kind of, like, happening? Because I definitely want to dive into, obviously, your amazing TED talk and then, your books and everything that you written. I want to dive into all of that. But, you know, kind of like your experience on, as the therapist. And kind of like seeing what was happening with, like, your patients.

Amy Morin: Yeah, so it’s been over 20 years now that I’ve been a therapist, so there’s been a huge shift. In rural Maine 20 years ago, a lot of people didn’t want to say that they saw a therapist. And it was kind of stigmatizing still. Like, if somebody saw your car again, a small community. So sometimes I might see a teacher, and I also might see one of their students. They might have a high probability they’re going to run into each other in the waiting room. That’s a huge issue in rural Maine. It’s gotten better over the years. Then, of course, the introduction of social media has transformed so many things for people.

And then the pandemic, of course, where people feel like they can’t shut off work. Or people are struggling with their social media image. Sometimes it’s an entrepreneur who is worried about their business brand versus their personal brand. They’re struggling with that sort of a thing. Sometimes it’s just people in general feeling like everybody else is happier and healthier and wealthier than they are. They get bogged down by it. But it’s also the idea that you don’t have to be bored anymore. If you’re waiting in line at the grocery store, people take out their phones so they aren’t bored.

Kids are in the backseat of the car using their devices so that they aren’t bored. Or people say, you know, I do this to stave off loneliness. Or to cope when I’m sad or to calm myself down when I’m anxious. And the fact that smartphones now are in people’s pockets. It’s become this incredible tool that we could use to become mentally stronger if we use it in the right ways. But it’s so easy and tempting to use it in so many other ways that it really distracts us from life. Bogs us down, and takes a toll on our mental health 100%.

Pamela Bardhi: Well, because that’s the only side that. It’s interesting that you said that, because all I’m hearing when it comes to, like, smartphones. And blue light and da da da da, all these things are like, it’s horrible over you. So, like, the fact that it’s actually could be utilized as a tool, depending on how you actually. You know what I mean? Utilize it is absolutely key, and you’re absolutely right. I feel like there’s been an absolute shift in everything, you know, I have friends now. It was like, yeah, no, I was talking to my therapist. Talking to my therapist, and I’m like, even five years ago, my friends would not be telling me that.

You know what I mean? I’m like, oh, you see a therapist? That’s it, and it’s like, now it’s like everyone’s talking. Yeah, I was talking to my therapist, and I’m like, okay, okay. This is becoming, like, more widely spread, which is awesome, you know, which is amazing. So it’s awesome to hear that shift from your perspective as well. I mean, in your journey, in seeing this shift, how has that whole experience kind of been to see. To, like, witness it and, like, kind of walk me through the last, like, 20 years. And how it’s really changed for you from being in that rural office in Maine to really now. Because what you’ve created is so amazing.

Amy Morin: Well, I remember the first time I went to New York, and when I started to write books. And I had an editor who was talking about seeing her therapist, and it was very much the same reaction. Like, oh, I didn’t know. People just kind of, in passing, said, I was talking to my therapist the other day. That would have been back in, like, 2013. Since then, for sure, more people talk about the fact that they have a therapist. We know mental health is much more discussed, which is great. But on the flip side of that, the problem I’m seeing is people are diagnosing themselves, they’re diagnosing other people. Everybody’s a narcissist these days. Everybody thinks that they’re battling, you know, they have panic attacks.

We’re using these words very casually, which, unfortunately, on the flip side, for people who are really suffering. It doesn’t feel very good when somebody’s like, oh, panic attacks, yeah, I have those all the time, but they don’t. So they don’t. And they’re talking to somebody who has full blown panic disorder. Or they’ll say, like, yeah, I have PTSD, too, because my parents got divorced when I was seven. They might not have PTSD. They’re just describing a rough part of their childhood. And then for somebody who has full blown PTSD. Complete with flashbacks and extreme fear, it kind of makes it that your symptoms are minimized.

So I do see the downside of this, too, now that people are being more casual about it. They’re diagnosing everybody in their lives and trying to turn everything into a conversation about mental health, too. Like, you can’t just have a day off. You have to talk about all the self care you’re doing on your day off. Instead of just doing what you’re going to do, on the. Now I feel like I’m combating that as well. Not just having, like, yes, let’s increase these conversations about mental health, but, like, let’s not pathologize everything. And let’s not get neurotic about every moment of our day. Because I have to be improving my mental health at every second.

Pamela Bardhi: That’s so funny. So it’s almost like it’s been commercialized.

Amy Morin: Yeah. And some strange ways that I think we weren’t expecting.

80% of the information on TikTok about mental health is harmful

And I, statistically, 80% of the information on TikTok about mental health is not just bad, but it’s harmful. I didn’t make that stat up, there’s companies that have researched this. There’s so many famous influencers who are sharing mental health tips and advice when they don’t have a background in it. That a lot of misinformation is being shared, and people are believing what they’re seeing and believing what they’re reading. So now we’re combating that, too, of, this is great. We’re having these mental health conversations, but please, let’s. Let’s make sure that the information we’re spreading is also about positive, healthy information that’s actually useful. Absolutely.

You’ve lost your mother and your husband in very unexpected ways

Pamela Bardhi: And you hit the nail right on that because I feel like social media has made this such, like, a thing. Which is really fascinating. Oh, my goodness, and to kind of backtrack a little on you, like, in your life and your experiences. You know, what have been some of the most challenging moments for you.

Amy Morin: And then we.

Pamela Bardhi: Then I definitely want to dive straight into the mentally strong stuff. It probably ties together, to be honest, but would love to hear deeper on your story. And really how you’ve really paved your way to get to where you are here today.

Amy Morin: So I became a therapist when I was 21, I guess, when I first started being working as a therapist. But my twenties were awful. While my professional life was really taking off, my personal life, I just felt like it was just swirling. Into this complete downward spiral that wouldn’t stop. I was 23 when my mom passed away. She had a brain aneurysm, so, she was here, I spoke to her on the phone. A few hours later, she passed away, and it really did a number on me. My parents had been married since they were 18 and 19, so then to see my dad alone. Then two weeks after my mom died, his house caught on fire. And so all of her possessions were now charred and water damaged.

That was just such a difficult time in my life. Because even though I’m a therapist helping other people with their problems, I’m now going through my own grief. Seeing my dad and trying to figure this out. And then on the three year anniversary to the day that my mom died, my 26 year old husband died of a heart attack. It was one of those days where he had said to me that morning. Like, what are we going to do today? Because he knew that that was a rough day for me. Anniversaries of somebody’s death are never pleasant. Then he died on the same day, and the thought that that could even happen. Much like my mother, he was here 1 minute and gone the next.

Unfortunately, I was there, too, when he passed away. So I’m supposed to be a therapist who helps other people deal with their problems. I’ve lost my mother, and now I’ve lost my husband in very unexpected means. Now I also have to pay the bills. My husband was a primary breadwinner. Therapists aren’t rich. I thought, and the last thing I want to do is move, but I have to figure out if I’m going to. We had bought a house. At that point, if I’m going to keep my house, I have to pay the mortgage. And my, even though I was a therapist, my job gave me three days of bereavement time. And I said, I can’t, I can’t come back to work in the shape that I’m in. I guarantee I can’t be a therapist right now.

I tried to get short term disability, and they said, we don’t cover bereavement. Luckily, my sister, who also happens to be a therapist, takes me back to the doctor. She says she has acute stress disorder, which is the precursor to PTSD. And look at her, she can’t work. Diagnose her with something. They gave me several mental health diagnoses that then qualified me for short term disability. So I was able to take three months off from work to at least figure out, like. What am I going to do? Am I going to move, am I going to do something different? How do I get myself in a place where I can at least show up. Up to this job where I’m supposed to help other people with their problems?

Not to say I was healed at the end of three months, I wasn’t. But I’m grateful that I at least had that small chunk of time to sort some things out. Figure out, what is this going to mean for me? What’s my budget look like now? What am I going to sell, what am I going to keep, what am I going to do? And I knew that as a therapist, you can only work 40 hours a week. It’s not like I could work 60 hours and still be effective. I didn’t think I could have a second job because I didn’t want to go, burn myself out. But at the same time, I didn’t want to move. The thought of, like, I’ve just lost so much of my life.

I don’t want to pack up and move to a different house. We were foster parents at the time, and I wasn’t sure I wanted to give that up. But at the same time, I was like, do I still want to be a single foster mom? Many things, so I said, if I can just keep my house and then make a decision later, I’ll be okay. One of the things I started doing was freelance writing that brought in some extra income. That if I wanted to write in the evenings or on the weekend, I could, but I didn’t have to. And that allowed me to keep my house. So I was a freelance writer for years and was able to keep my house that paid. Helped me, enough to pay the bills.

It took a few years, but I started to get life kind of back in order. You know, I got a motorcycle, and I did all this other stuff, and I was like, all right, what’s next? And I was fortunate enough to find love again. And I thought, you know, I had thought I’d never get remarried, I thought that was great, but got remarried. Just about the same time I got remarried. We got a different house, and I was finally ready to sell that other house, and we moved. I got a new job. That’s when I got the job next door to my sister, and I thought, this is great. Well, then, my father in law was diagnosed with terminal cancer like that, all at the same time.

It was on one of my darkest days that I wrote myself a letter about what mentally strong people don’t do. And I found it really helpful. I was like, okay, Amy, if you just don’t do these things today, you’ll get through this. Because I didn’t want to lose another loved one, but it wasn’t like I had a choice. Then I decided to put this letter on the Internet because that’s what I did. I was still a therapist and a part time writer, so I thought, eh, I’ll publish this online. Time I ever published something that was from the heart as opposed to a very sterile article. But I didn’t give it any context.

It was literally the list of the 13 things mentally strong people don’t do without the backstory or anything. I expected, like, twelve people would read it, but 50 million people read it. One of them was a literary agent who said, you should write a book. Within a month, we had a book deal. And ten years later, I still get to write books about mental strength and what mentally strong people don’t do. All because of that letter that I wrote to myself. So that’s the story of how I went from being a therapist in rural Maine. To now I get to be an author who lives on a sailboat in the Florida Keys.

Pamela Bardhi: I, absolutely love that.

Amy, thank you so much for sharing your story with us

Amy, thank you so much for sharing all of that, I am honored to hear it. I’m honored to hear your story. And I honor you for all the strength and resilience and everything that you’ve experienced throughout all of this. To come out and still shine and share your story and help all these people. I mean, like, you didn’t know how much it would impact people by just putting out that list, right? But, like, 15 million.

Amy Morin: Like, as in 50 million?

Pamela Bardhi: 50.

Amy Morin: Oh, my God.

Pamela Bardhi: Yeah, it’s 50. Whoa.

Amy Morin: Which, you know, it doesn’t even after you get over just a small chunk, like, it all seems surreal. Whether it was 15 million or 50 million, it’s a number I can’t fathom. At any rate.

Pamela Bardhi: It’s so amazing. Well, I mean, like, it’s also too. It speaks to, like, the authenticity of it. You know what I mean? Like, you were speaking from the soul, and then all of a sudden, everything kind of unlocked. Which I think is really, really important. And really, I mean the authenticity factors everything. That’s the number one frequency, the highest frequency known to man, next to love, right? So it’s like, it’s amazing, and I would love to dive into that a little bit.

For anybody who’s listening that may be struggling, know someone who’s struggling. So I would kind of love to. Just some snippets. Obviously, we want to read your books, but some snippets of some of your biggest pieces of advice. And, you know, throughout the years of your years as a therapist or maybe, pieces from your books. I mean, whatever you want to throw in there, that could help somebody who’s listening right now.

Amy Morin: Yeah. My point about what mentally strong people don’t do is that so many people would come into my therapy office over the years. They had good habits, and they were like, what else can I do? What else can I do? But they had, like, one or two bad habits that were keeping them stuck. I didn’t want to give them 50 more things to do because they weren’t really going to make any progress. But if we could just pinpoint the one or two unhealthy habits. Then all of their good habits suddenly become much more effective. And that’s what helped people thrive. So in therapy and in my books, one of my main messages is, let’s pinpoint the worst habit that you have. It might be feeling sorry for yourself.

Somebody might say, you know, I practice gratitude, and I do all of these great things. But then they spend a lot of time feeling sorry for themselves. Well, ten minutes of gratitude doesn’t undo 23 hours of feeling sorry for yourself. So let’s figure out, how do you not feel so sorry for yourself? Maybe you stop looking at social media and thinking, everybody’s better than you are. Or maybe you don’t just keep rehashing all of these things that used to happen to you. Or the names you got called or the bad stuff in your head anymore. And here’s how you do it differently, so that’s one of my big messages. Let’s pinpoint the worst habit you have, let’s get rid of that, and then just watch what happens in life. These incredible things can happen.

And another one would just be to know that we’re stronger than we think. One of the very best strategies that we all have is whenever you’re going through a tough time and you’re doubting yourself. Go back and think, to the hardest thing you ever did in your life and what got you through that. We’ve all been through hard things. You don’t make it to be 2030 or 40 years old with an incredibly easy life. Like, everybody’s been through something hard. Often it’s something that we didn’t want to go through, but life threw it our way, and we had to. Whether it was the death of a loved one or we went through bankruptcy.

Or a job loss or something really difficult, you think about, how did I get through that? Evidence will show that. Just reminding yourself, if I went through that, like, I can get through anything. And for me, I used to be terrified of public speaking. Like, I was the kid in class, even, like, in high school. My English teacher used to read my papers for me in front of the 15 kids I went to kindergarten with. I still couldn’t speak, and so, and I spent most of my life terrified of public speaking. I gave the eulogy at my husband’s funeral. That has cured me of my fear of public speaking. Like, for that one moment in life, I was like, I don’t care if I look stupid.

I have a message I want the audience to hear. There’s a couple stories about my husband, and it became about that. But now I have this incredible thing of, like, go ahead and throw something at me. If I can get through that, I can do absolutely anything, but we all have that ability to do that. Like, whatever it is you’ve been through in your life, just remember, like, what did I do to get through that? You have inner strength that you didn’t even know existed, but something got you through it. So I guarantee you can get through whatever life throws your way if you just remember that.

Pamela Bardhi: I absolutely love that. Amino, thank you so much for sharing that, I mean, it’s incredible. The different tools and the different things and, like, your mind, just by reframing some small things. You were just saying just some, just, like, hey, this subtle reminder, remember what you did when you did here. It kind of enables you to be able to blow past anything that you’ve got going on. For me, my big thing, my big checkpoint was always like. Cause everyone’s like, pam how did you, have you done what you’ve done? How do you stay motivated? Like, you can, like, run through walls and stuff. So, for me, my big thing was like, well, I think of my parents and how they came to the US. And, like, basically came with nothing, spoke no English, had nothing. My brother was six months old.

I was five, and so in my brain, I’m like, my parents came here with no family. Didn’t know their language, and had two kids and, like, a few thousand dollars. So if they could figure it out, I will figure this out, I will be totally fine. It’s almost like having that. Like, example, for some reason, in your brain, it releases something that’s like, oh, what am I complaining about? You know what I mean? It’s so fascinating how that kind of, like, that, you can play with your brain in that way. And then it kind of stretches it little by little by little, and then all of a sudden, you just have. You end up having no fear because you’re like, I don’t give a shit anymore. What do I have to lose? I’ve already done this or that, I’ve seen this person do this.

One of the most powerful things we can do to make better decisions is emotions

So what’s my excuse kind of thing, you know?

Amy Morin: Yeah. It puts things in perspective, right? If you can go through something, if your parents could do something like that. Like, okay, there’s this hurdle in front of me, but I. All right, if I sit around and try to figure out a solution. I can come up with something to do. Because if they can do that. 

Pamela Bardhi: I can do this 100%, which I love. And I would say, I mean, you’ve dropped some nuggets already, which is absolutely incredible. You have an incredible TED talk as well on this, on mentally being mentally strong. So if you had to condense it into, like, one piece of advice for anyone who’s listening. What would be the number one thing you would tell anyone about mental strength? Resilience. The one.

Amy Morin: One thing I think, one of the most powerful things when it comes to mental strength. Is to recognize how big of a role our emotions play in so many things we talk about emotional intelligence. But if you ask people to name as many feeling words as they can in 30 seconds. Most people come up with an average of five words. Right? We don’t even have the vocabulary to describe how we’re feeling, but research will show just naming an emotion. When you can say, I’m anxious, your anxiety goes down a little bit. Or when you say, I’m sad and you put a label to it, you feel a little bit less sad.

When you understand how your emotions affect your decisions, like, if you are sad, you should never negotiate. You will take a terrible deal because you’re like, oh, I can’t handle one more rejection. I’m not going to make a counteroffer. Or when you’re anxious, you might be anxious about your grandmother. But you go to work on a day when you feel anxious and an opportunity is right in front of you. You will overestimate how risky it is because you’re anxious about something completely different. Our anxiety spills over into other areas of our lives. So I think one of the most powerful things we can do to make better decisions. To become wiser and to become mentally stronger is to just pause sometimes. And say, how am I feeling?

How’s that emotion likely to affect the decisions I’m about to make? Then you make way better decisions once you’re more aware of how you’re feeling. But so often we don’t check in with ourselves and we don’t know, like, oh, I don’t know. I feel kind of, eh, today. Well, isn’t really a description word, so maybe you print out a list of feeling words just so you have them handy. Or you put it on your bathroom mirror. And just when you’re brushing your teeth in the morning and hopefully again at night. Read over the list and say, how do I feel today? Just to improve your emotional vocabulary that can do wonders for you.

Pamela Bardhi: I love that, I love that. When you were saying that, I was like, I found myself doing that multiple times. It’s funny because now, like, I’ll, I have twin daughters that are a year old. And I watch a lot of, you know what they watch Miss Rachel and all these things. And it’s funny, like, in the new toddler things, like they’re talking about emotions at a very young age. All they say, the way that they describe it is big feelings.

Amy Morin: Yeah, I like that.

Pamela Bardhi: Like, and I’m like, this is interesting, I’m like, I was never taught that I had big feelings. Right? You know what I mean? So that’s how it’s funny. That’s how they label it, so they’re like, if you have big feelings, this is what you do. And, like, they teach them to meditate, I’m like, this is so cool, you know? I’m like, as an adult, I will take that. I will take that information and use it for myself, too.

Amy Morin: Exactly.

Pamela Bardhi: And then I’m going to label them, so it’s so funny, like, see that? It’s funny that you mentioned that because, yeah, they’re, like, calling it out as well. I’m watching it, and I’m like, this is so interesting to me. Like, how is this possible? So I love that, I love that, Amy. Oh, my goodness.

What would your older self tell your younger self based on what you’ve learned

And this one. This question is my favorite one. I always save the best for last because it’s amazing, and I always am. I’m curious to see what anyone says when it comes to this one. So what would your older self tell your younger self based on what you.

Amy Morin: Now, that is a good question, I would tell myself to just do scary things. That it’s not so bad that I’m more capable and competent than I give myself credit for. So, so long, I let self doubt or the fear of embarrassing myself hold me back. I would just want my younger self to know, like, no, you got this. And even if you do embarrass yourself, it is not the worst thing in the world.

Pamela Bardhi: I absolutely love that, Amy, I love your spirit, your resilience, just, like, everything. And, like, just your pragmatic approach to it all. You know what I mean? I absolutely love that piece of it, and just the emotional intelligence, I mean, that part. That part is absolutely key as well, and I’m just so grateful for you. And I know everyone who’s listening is like, oh, my goodness, where can I find her and her awesomeness? Then, also, what are you up to in the next few months? Like you mentioned, you’re in your sailboat in the keys. Which I’m highly jealous of, I really wish I was in the Florida keys right now. It was so beautiful down there.

Amy Morin: Yeah. One of the great things about becoming an author was I could do that from anywhere. And now I can do mental strength coaching online, so I can do that from anywhere. We said, why not? Let’s move to a sailboat in the Florida Keys and work from there. For eight years, I’ve worked from here now, and my 6th book came out last year. So I have six books about mental strength. I plan to just continue for a while, working on my podcast.

I have a podcast called mentally stronger with therapist Amy Morin. Where I interview guests on Monday to talk about what makes them mentally strong. Experts and authors and some really cool people. And then every Friday, I give a solo episode where I share my favorite strategies for staying mentally strong. It might be a quick tip or a different mindset or a strategy that I’ve used in my therapy office. That I want all my listeners to hear as well.

Pamela Bardhi: I absolutely love that. Amy, that is so amazing. Well, it’s almost like you, building your dream life. You know, and you’re living that, and now you get to help people all over the world. Like, doing what you love, like, that is true wealth and abundance and just, like, purpose, you know? And that is amazing, and I love that. I’m gonna have to tune into your podcast, too, I heard a couple episodes. But I’m like, I gotta, like, actually subscribe and take some notes down over there, so. Oh, my goodness, and any events or anything coming up aside. Like, in your world, are you or do you mostly doing, like, podcast stuff and different things with the coaching. Or, like, speaking at anything or any events coming up in your world?

Amy Morin: Yeah, I speak at a lot of events. It’s usually private corporations and companies that hire me to train their employees how to become mentally stronger. So I don’t have. I don’t think I have any public ones coming up at the moment. But we do have some more, I guess. Exciting things in the work that I can’t announce yet that have to do with more tools. And things we’re going to release into the world about mental strength shortly.

Pamela Bardhi: Oh, my goodness, Amy, that’s amazing. And where can everybody find you and your awesomeness?

Amy Morin: My website, which is Amy Morin. M m o r I n l c s w, which stands for licensed clinicalsocialworker.com. I built the website way back when I was a therapist and have kept the website the same, even though now I’m. Even though I am still a therapist, most of my work is about writing and speaking and doing other things.

Pamela Bardhi: That’s incredible. Amy, you are remarkable. Thank you so much for sharing your story. Super inspiring, you are just amazing. Keep shining your light and helping more people in this universe. You are magic.

Amy Morin: Oh, thank you so much for having me and letting me share my story.

Pamela Bardhi: So that’s it for today’s episode of Underdog. Catch us next week. Always dropping on Thursdays. And remember, if you’re interested in real estate or want to learn how to create m more money and magic in your life. Check out meetwithpamala.com and let’s chat. Sending you so, so much love.

Amy Morin: All we know is all the time barking. Like some underdogs and the dogs and the dogs and the dogs, and the dogs.