How Chris Cochran Speaks Legacy Through BluChip Solutions

Pamela Bardhi: Hello everyone, and welcome to the Underdog Podcast. I have an incredible guest here with me today, Chris. How are you, my friend?

Chris Cochran: Hi Pamela. Thank you for having me. It’s an honor to be here with you today, especially seeing your smiling face. So it’s definitely what’s good about today for sure.

Pamela Bardhi: I love that, I love that. Chris, thank you so much for being here, I was just mentioning, as we were just getting on with. Just so excited to hear about all the magic and hear your backstory. And really dive into everything about what’s good about today and just everything you’re up to in the world.

As a kid my dream was to be like my dad, whatever he was

And before we kind of get into all that magic, I always love to reel it back a little bit. Right. Like go behind the curtain and kind of go way back. One of my favorite things, and this is one of my favorite questions is, you know. As a kid growing up, what did you want to be when you grew up? What was the dream?

Chris Cochran: Yeah, my dream was to be like my dad, whatever he was. I remember as a kid my father would, he was in the auto industry and he was a salesman. Really was what he was. He would take me around to all the different service places, dealerships, and he was selling products. So I actually got to witness my father at a very young age taking me out on sales calls. And I would learn a lot just based on how he interacted with people. He was one of the best salesmen I ever saw, and because he was extremely likable. It wasn’t so much that he was selling. But you wanted to buy something from, ‘cause he was just so nice.

So I learned a lot of, if you wanna call it those traits of how to approach people. How to, I guess career wise. Everything has been born from that moment when I was a kid. Spending many, many, many times on the road with my father, just watching him interact with people. And of course, my mother was a very wonderful, spiritual, religious woman. Went to church, I went to church every week. We were God fearing people, so you know, she was always the tender heart on that side. My dad was kind of a driver for success and so it was a good match for me. I took it all the right way and kind of utilized the good points. Not everybody’s perfect, but it certainly has helped me.

Pamela Bardhi: It’s amazing.

Chris grew up in Camp Hill, Pennsylvania and then was a wrestler

Chris Cochran: Chris.

Pamela Bardhi: And where did you grow up?

Chris Cochran: So I grew up in a little town called Camp Hill, Pennsylvania. Central Pennsylvania, it’s, you know, Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, which is the capital. Most people probably don’t know. Maybe now they douse it’s known, but just a small little, it’s actually called a borough. It’s not even a town , it’s yeah, just small. I think I graduated with 96 kids in my class, so everybody knew everybody and everybody knew everyone’s family. It was nice to grow up in that kind of town, which can be unusual nowadays.

Pamela Bardhi: Love that. I love that. And is that where you grew up, like your whole life in Pennsylvania?

Chris Cochran: No, grew up there and then I was a wrestler. So I wrestled and got a scholarship to the University of Tennessee, Chattanooga. I wrestled Division 1 wrestling and went there and spent my four years and graduated. But ultimately I ended up moving back, moving towards Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania which is where my high school sweetheart, is from. We met when I was in ninth grade and we’ve been dating ever since. Married of course now, but we yeah, married my high school sweetheart and it was perfect as perfect can getd.

Pamela Bardhi: I love that, I love that. Oh my goodness. So you were in wrestling prior to, in college.

Chris Cochran: Wow. Y.

Pamela Bardhi: What was the career trajectory after that? That’s amazing.

Chris Cochran: Graduate, that was my career objective, was to figure out, how do I get out of college, you know. You know, I always knew that, you know, look, I lead a lot with wherever God takes me. And so things sort of fall in the way they’re gonna fall, you know, whether my career. I think originally my first job, of course in college I was selling door to door medical equipment. Even as a junior senior I was selling medical equipment. So I was always sort of out there selling and doing things. Then when I graduated I got a corporate job. I worked for Dun and Bradstreet company and actually sold yellow pages door to door, which you could do back then.

There was no Internet, there was no, none of that kind of stuff. So going door to door to businesses, selling them space ads, I think my first job, my salary was $12,500. The rest was commission. And that’s how I started my career. Did that for a few years, eventually moved on from that. But eventually most of my career has been spent in the technology sector. I’m the CEO of a technology company called Blue Chip Solutions and we’re a national IT consulting firm. I also sit on the board for Coepis Therapeutics, which is a biotech company.

Focusing on cancer research, which is really in the heart of my passions, is trying to solve. You know, cancers that are unheard of now, and we’re doing everything we can to solve that. Those problems, and so, that’s a public company, so that part’s fulfilling. And of course, they sit on the board for the Christian coctchrane and legacy fund, which is. I know we’ll talk about my son who passed away from cancer. So, a lot of my passion goes into that. Some of the other stuff is like, work stuff. But this is really where I find my passion. Where I can help and make a difference in the world as long as I’m here, so that’s my objective.

Chris son Christian died of cancer at 20 years old

Pamela Bardhi: Thank you so much, Chris, for sharing that. I know that what’s good about today is a huge piece of what you do. You were just talking about the passion project, so would love to hear more about that and how that all started. And also to hear about your son so we can honor him in the highest light.

Chris Cochran: Oh, thank you so much. And I love talking about my son Christian, so you’ll never get me to stop on that one. So, as I mentioned, I married my high school sweetheart. We were blessed with three children. Our first child was Christian, Christian was born in 1998, and just a spectacular kid. He did everything you would think that you would have the terrible teens and all those things. I just didn’t have that with this boy. He was always kind hearted, full of empathy, always took care of others before himself, thought of others before himself. Even as a young child, you could see that he was uniquely different. Christian went to college, he went to Indiana, University of Pennsylvania, he was an honors kid.

He came back from college, he was having some slight back pain, and this would have been in 2020. We treated it like anything, he got physical therapy. He’s a healthy kid. And I brag on Christian, I know I always hear Christshna tapping on my shoulder when I talk about him. Like, don’t brag, him, because he was very humble, but he was incredibly talented. Of course, the main part of his kindness was the most talented part. But from a tal’s perspective, he was always the lead in every musical, every play. He was the prom king in a very large school, he was brilliant, smart and kind. Ultimately, you know, we went and had a test and came back and we had to go to the Hillman cancer institute.

Which is a big cancer institute here in Pittsburgh. And I remember this was during COVID you can only take one parent, I walked in with him. I remember walking in the door and five lab coats came in, they had masks over their faces. But I could read their eyes, what was about to be delivered. They told Christian that he had terminal cancer, had something called changiocarcinoma, which is biouct cancer. Survival rate is less than 1%, even for five years. So he was already at stage four at that stage of his life. It’s one of these cancers that you just don’t feel it, or know about it until the very last moment. It’s extremely rare, mostly seen in southeast Asia and in older people.

How does a kid from north Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, especially Christian, get this disease? So I remember Christian. Of course, when it was told, my knees were wobbling, I was beginning to fade to black. But I’ll never forget, Christian put his hand on my shoulder. He looked at me, in the eyes and he said, dad, don’t worry about it. Everything’s going to be okay, and he never once I tell you this, not one single time. From the moment he was diagnosed to the moment he took his last breath with us around him, did he complain. One he never said, why me, he never said, why can this happen to me? He was the opposite of that, he kept leading a fulfilled life, he would remind us.

And that’s where what’s good about today comes about, is Christian’s words. Christian would say to us when we were crying, we were down. He would say, what’s good about today? It was his daily reminder to us to remember that there is beauty, there is joy. There was such wonder in this world, even in the worst of circumstances. Even in the worst of things that you can be going through in a day. You just have to look for it. So we honor that message, and I’ve honored that message in everything that I do, whether it’s in speaking engagements. I’ve written a book, and so it’s inspired by Christian. Ultimately, you know, I just want to be able to share Christian light with as many people as I can. That’s what I’m here to fulfill.

Pamela Bardhi: Thank you so much for sharing that, Chris. That was absolutely beautiful. And hearing you speak about him brought so much joy to me. So I love that.

Chris Cochran: I love it.

Pamela Bardhi: So it’s such a radiant and beautiful energy. It’s almost like we can feel him here, so thank you. Thank you. He is here. Yeah, that’s wanna say I was like, I swear, I think he islute. What a light and what joy he is to bring, you know, to think about, like, what’s good about today. Like, that is such a powerful message. Because oftentimes, you know, we hear the word cancer and, you know, we kind of shudder at it. Right. No matter what it is, whether it’s for us or somebody we know or whatever. And so for him to turn around and really find so much joy and not be affected by it. Not kind of live by its standards, right. Of, like, society putting it down, you know, I think is absolutely beautiful, I think that’s absolutely an absolute joy.

Chris says two things that helped him through grief after losing his son

Oh, my goodness.

Chris Cochran: Wow.

Pamela Bardhi: And that, so you had mentioned that had sparked your book about, what’s good about today. Can we kind of dig into that as well? A little bit about how that was, and then also, you know, before we get into that. Also there may be parents that are listening right now. Or everyone knows somebody with cancer, right. So just sharing some of what helped you during that process as a parent. During the grieving process, and really just dealing with it, and then the grieving process, really afterwards. And how you just never know how that’s going to inspire somebody who’s listening. Whether it be a loved one for them, a child or whoever it may be. I just feel like there’s going to be something impactful there. Then I definitely want to dive into the book as well.

Chris Cochran: Yeah, well, I think that’s the most important thing, is to help those who are going through this. Because it can feel like the end of the world, losing a child is the worst thing possible. Right. There’s lots of circumstances that families lose their kids. And being in my position where I get to speak, I get to meet with lots of people. Sometimes my presentations are shaped a little differently for the audience in which I’m in. But many times those who come to book signings and where I’m speaking. Those are people who are also going through difficult things. They’ve lost a child, multiple children, sometimes to the worst things, drugs and suicide. You know, but at the end of the day, losing a child is gaping a hole in your heart.

It’s really hard to even know what the point is going forward when you’re putting, those circumstances. And so I think the best thing and the best. Every person goes through grief differently, and this accounts for anybody who’s going through grief, really. But ultimately it’s, I think you have to. Two things I always focus on, always, which is humbleness. Remain humble. Humble before God, I always tell myself I’m not worthy of his love. And so I make sure that I realize I’m a humble guy to this. So the second thing that’s very important is to realize you’re not in control. Many times we think we’re in control of our circumstances. I can tell you there’s a preriis and there’s an after cancer Chris, and so I don’t recognize the guy pre cancer. Because my mindset was different, and I looked at the world different.

It’s not that I didn’t have a kind heart or I didn’t wanna do good things, I did. But I just didn’t look at the world the same way. So I think when you realize I’m not in control, that’s what helped me. It took me years now. Christian’s been going all over three years, not that long ago, but now, just getting to a point. Where I can let go and realize that I am not really fully in control. Of what God hasn’t planned for me or for you or for anyone else, I know what I have. What I have is the moment I have right now here with you, Pamela. I take that for what it is, being present in those moments. And I think christian’s message of what’s good about today really focuses on today.

A lot of people will say, ask me what I’m doing next week, I fred, like, oh, what’s your plans for? I said, I have no idea, I know there may be something. But I really try to focus on what good I can do today, and I narrow it down, specifically. Because I’m only guaranteed what I have right now, and if I make the most, I put everything I have into today. Then I think good things will happen. And I think for those who are grieving, the best thing is truly one step at a time. It is a cliche, but you just have to put your faith and realize that you’re not in full control. Once you let it go, you can have a little bit more peace. I suppose it never fully goes away, of course, but it does allow you moments of peace.

Mentioned God a lot in his book.

Pamela Bardhi: Thank you so much for that, Chris. I appreciate that insight so much and, was incredible. Incredible to learn about the surrendering piece, and I think that has a lot to do with faith, too. Write it. And you mentioned God a lot, and I think that, that’s something that’s been saving grace, which I love. You know that when you have that level of faith and that surrender that you’re not in control, like you said. But you know that God Is there, you know, that Christian is not very far away. He’s right there with you. Right, I think that, that’s incredible to know that there’s more after this life, I think it is.

Chris Cochran: Yeah. Thank you. Now, I think it is important. God is very important. I will say people have asked me and I’ve talked about that in the book is what’s my relationship with God? And I tell him it’s a relationship, I have a relationship. It doesn’t mean that I don’t get angry with God, it doesn’t mean that I haven’t yelled things at God. But, of course, apologizing immediately afterwards, but, you know, I think it’s important to have that relationship. It does carry you through, and I say all this has to have meaning, it has to. You know, so there has to be a meaning to these things. So try to keep a tight, tight eye on that.

Pamela Bardhi: Absolutely. I love that. And in your book, I’d love to dive into that and kind of, you know, without giving away too, too much. Would love to dig into that in your own words.

Chris Cochran: Yeah.

The book dives into Christian’s life as a toddler and upwards

Well, people have asked me, what is this book? You know, the book is a love story. So in the most simplest terms, it’s a love story. It’s a story about a family, I do talk about how I met my wife. Right. I have to bring context to the family and how this family started, but ultimately it dives into. Really, Christian’s life as a toddler and upwards. But really drawing in, how in the story, of course, the book is what’s good about today, but a purpose driven life. The point to that is to show that Christians’life led with purpose his whole life. And there were measures and marks along the way. That one can see how he led his life, even.

Even as a kid, a teenager and a young adult, he led probably five lifetimes, of many, others have led. Because of the way he lived his life, and so this book is a journey. There definitely would be tears, I would assume, and I’ve heard, of course, but it’s also what Christian exemplified. Which was joy and happiness and love and comedy, and that’s what’s important. This is not a book to make you sad or to make you. Make you feel down. It’s really a book to make you feel uplifted and help you understand that. Here’s a kid at 22 years of age who had everything in front of him. When I tell you this kid had everything in front of him, it would have been extraordinary. But it was cut short, it was taken from him.

It was taken from our family. And he addressed it and he went forward as if it was just another experience as a part of life. One thing I know about Christian used to tell me is he wasn’t afraid of dying at all. He was very comfortable with it, he thought it as another adventure in this dimension. So he understood that very well, he taught us a lot of things. I tell a funny story in the book, which is when I would go on walks. This is about three months before Christian passed away. Christian and I would go on walks. Many of these walks are meant to. I wanted Christian to get out and go on walks and keep his health up. We made sure he ate right.

But I remember being on the walk and I said to Christian, do you have any regrets? And he said, yeah, dad, I do have a regret, and I said. Oh, wow, I mean, I hung on every word. Because he was just such a knowledgeable kid, and I said, what is it? He says, dad, I did too much homework, and I thought I laughed at him, and I said, I go, christian. No, it can’t be your only regret in life, I mean, are there any regrets? He goes, no, that’s the only regret I had, I wish I hadn’t done so much homework that I did. I used to love it. ‘Cause he didn’t seem like he did a lot of homework, but for him, it was so.

It was, again, Christian’s ability and his levity to bring things back into center. I love the book because at the end of every chapter or takeaways for everyone. So you can always turn back to the book. Look for ways in which you can put this in practical terms in your own life, right? You can utilize what’s good about today’s process, and how you can implement this, and it is a choice, right? We all have a choice to either look at things in light or to look at things in darkness. Christian chose to look at things in light. And that’s what I’ve chosen to do, my family’s chosen to do, and we’re going to do. That’s what I would encourage others to always seek the light for guidance.

Pamela Bardhi: That’s absolutely beautiful, Chris. And as you were kind of telling the story with him in the movie. I’m saying a movie, and maybe there’s a movie coming for you guys. That would be amazing.

Christian left behind a legacy of unconditional love

Pamela Bardhi: But in the book, you were mentioning so many pieces of inspiration. Now, what was it that inspired him so much? Did he ever share that with you?

Chris Cochran: Yeah. I mean, you know Christian in terms of when he was sick or just in general.

Pamela Bardhi: His life in general. Yeah. Cause the way that he lived his life, I’m like, yah, I wonder where his mindset really, started. You always used to mention as a toddler he was really like a leader and all of that. And so I’m like we something, you would love to hear that.

Chris Cochran: Yeah, well, you know, again, another story I remember him being we were going to the bus stop. It was again, this is one of so many but going to the bus stop. Every kid’s hustling to get on that bus, you know, the first day of school, get on the bus. Get next to your best friend, be in the back of the bus. Christian decided he did not want to be the first on the bus. He wanted every bun of his friends to have the best seats on the bus. Then asked for a safe seat, he would then wait for special knat kids to get onto the bus. He would be the last kid to get on that bus, he would always end up having to sit. In the front of the bus next to the bus driver, which nobody wanted to do.

But not Christian. Christian looked at it as an opportunity. Because he would say, dad, I got a chance to meet the bus driver, know about his life. This is what drove Christian was the love and laughter and joy he saw on other people’s faces. Even to the very end, Christian was always thinking of others, even three weeks before he passed. You know, cancer is, a long process in the last month. And a half is a very difficult thing that we have to witness. He had to go through and his family had to go through. But we were around him, but he was always either cracking a joke or always telling me. I remember privately saying, dad, you have two other beautiful children. I mean this’s this 22 year old boy telling me this kind of stuff.

You have two beautiful other children, you gotta be there for them. Be there for mom, I think what drove him was his family, right? He loved his family, he loved his friends, he loved human nature. He loved what God had given him on this earth, he was always very grateful for everything that he had. I mean even at Christmas time he wanted to give away his gifts to all his friends. And he would always ask politely to us, he said, okay. If I give some of these gifts away to my friends, I want them to have it. So he just had this different mindset and I think there’s something important about that that you can take pieces of. Use that in your own life and how to give back to others fully and take the action to do that.

I remember Christian. Christian did not have to do lists, much of us have to do lists. I’m sure a lot of people have a to-do list, Christian had it to love list. And so he would make a point that my to loveless, is who do I love every single day. At the maximum level to get the most joy, the most laughter, the most happiness out of them. And I think that approach, that mindset, if we did it even in the smallest of ways. Can make a huge impact on others, that I have seen. Of course, since Christian’s passing, there’s just been so much outreach, so many things being done in his name. So I’m very proud of that, for him, and he’s led a great legacy, which is also very important.

Pamela Bardhi: Absolutely. And a legacy of unconditional love. That’s all. Everything that you were explaining about, like unconditional love. Love, love, love, love, which is so, so beautiful.

Chris favorite memory of Christian

Pamela Bardhi: And now, what’s your favorite memory of Christian?

Chris Cochran: Yeah, well, I. There’s so many, but there’s no one favorite. I mean, I think if I had to narrow it down to the simplest of things. My favorite memory of Christian is his laugh. He had this, gosh, it was such an infectious laugh that when you heard it, you just started laughing uncontrollably. You know, maybe you’ve met people like that, I love to just watch Christian, I have memories of. Christian was again, as I mentioned, a theater kid. So when he would go and go into the theater, and he also had a photographic memory, he was just brilliant. But I would always sneak, I was like the only parent that would do this. I would love to sneak into aud/oriums in the very back where doors are closed. And I could sneak, I could look through the peepholes.

It was just so I could catch a glance of Christian. Because he exudes so much brightness and light and his positivity on others. And I just love the way he interacted with people. So it’s not any one time, I loved how he interacted with people. Those are probably my greatest memories, it’s not so much what he did with me. It’s how I got an opportunity to witness his interaction with other humans and other souls. You know, that he could. When he was with you, he was all in with you. I remember watching him do big productions, he’d come off and people wait afterwards to meet him. He’d meet each individual and talk with him specifically and hug him, and I got to witness that. And so for me, it’s just like witnessing something really cool, and so those are my best memories of Christian.

Pamela Bardhi: And since I know he’s here, what do you think his message would be to anyone who’s listening right now? Best piece of advice, aside from what’s.

Chris Cochran: Good about today, it’s very simple, actually. Don’t take life so seriously. That’s exactly what he would say. Yeah, and with all of the things I’ve told you about Christian. It’s all serious and it’s all very deep, and it is. In the end, Christian would tell you, don’t take life so seriously, and many of us do. And that can bog us down, that can weigh us down, our minds down. But he really looked at life like it’s not that serious. You know, there are things that there are simple things you can do to make life enjoyable. So, yeah, I think I quote that actually in the book, as is what he would say.

Pamela Bardhi: I love that so much. That’s beautiful.

What would Chris older self tell his younger self based on what he know now

And for you, Chris, this is my favorite question. What would your older self tell your younger self based on what you know now? It could be business, it could be personal, it could be whatever your soul wants to share.

Chris Cochran: I think, you know, I grew up at a time where it was work, work, work, you know, which was normal. Right. You’re working, I think for me it is like 7 to 8 o’clock at night. Seems like all the time, right, and I have kids. And so I think if I could go back and tell my younger self, if he would even listen to me. You need to focus your time more, which I did on my family. But more, you know, whatever more meant it just spending more time with him.

Knowing what I know, obviously with Christian, just doing more things with him as much as I could possibly do. And we did a lot. But I would want more. I want more. So anything more, with my family would be what I would tell my younger self. That you need to spend more time with your family, if that means change your job. Make an adjustment to your life, then that’s what you should do, and that’s what I would have done.

Pamela Bardhi: Love that, Chris. Thank you for sharing that. I appreciate that.

Chris Cochran: Yeah.

Pamela Bardhi: And in your world, like, what’s going, like, what’s new in the next few months? Like, anything coming up, like, what are you working on?

Chris Cochran: Well, you know, the book came out at the end of August. Since then it’s been a very joyful experience. Because I’ve gotten an opportunity to meet lots of people right in this world, I think that’s an important part. To connect the dots, is to connect people’s personal stories to. Now, that’s a tough thing, too, because you internalize people’s stories, and some of them are tough. But, I give that up to God, but ultimately, I’ve gotten an opportunity to speak at a lot of places. I just got back from a university speaking engagement. I’m supposed to go back again, I’m scheduled, to another university. I find a lot of joy in that because I’m speaking to young adults. These are kids at my son’s age, right? They don’t know what they don’t know one minute, and this is the same for everybody, right?

One minute. Your life is perfect, your life feels really great. Up to the point when Christian got cancer. It was, you know, I have owned companies, I have money, I have a beautiful wife. She’s my high school sweetheart. I have two other beautiful children. By the way, Kate and Nicholas, who I think the world of and are wonderful kids. But life turned on a dime, literally turned on a dime in a matter of seconds. And so, that can happen to anyone. So I think it’s been something that I try to implore on when I speak to people. To realize that life can turn, and I focus on three things when I’m speaking to people. One is, be kind. Now, everyone says, be kind. We hear this, be kind, be kind, but I always accentuate, always, be kind. Always. ‘Cause Christian used to say this.

There’s a memorial down in the city of Pittsburgh, and the most bustling part of Pittsburgh. It’s got fountains and angels, it’s in front of the church. The Diocese of Pittsburgh donated and the foundation gave to that a huge space. Christian’s plaque, it’s a big plaque with his picture and a saying of what’s good about today. He used to say, Christians say, be kind to everyone. Cause you never know what someone is going through, and that’s true. And so you never know who you’re running up, meeting. You don’t know what they’re going through. So just be kind always, and I think I try to make sure people are saying what’s good about today. Whether it’s in the morning, in the afternoon, or in the evening. My goal is to get this phrase so that someone comes off the football field in the NFL game.

And they go, what’s good about today? Like, I want people to know this as part of their normal speech pattern, you know. That it gives them memory, it realizes that every day is beautiful. The last thing you and I talked about is legacy. Making sure people understand that you want to leave a legacy and you want to leave that legacy of positivity. What you can give back out to this life that we all have been given. So I’m just excited that I’ve been invited to speak, do speaking engagements on university levels, and some corporate events. I go to book signings, I go to libraries, I don’t care if one person shows up. I’m happy because if I can affect one person, if I can have them think, then I’ve done a good job. You know, and that’s what I’m trying to do.

Pamela Bardhi: I absolutely love that, Chris, I love that you’re carrying on the legacy and the message. And all of this and in such light, and I honor you so much for sharing your story. Because I know that it’s, know every day is a process, right? But I know that this was really meaningful to those that are listening. It definitely helps somebody out there for sure. I’m so grateful for you for sharing your story and your strength. So I honor you.

Chris Cochran: Thank you.

Pamela Bardhi: Thank you for, in the highest honor. And now I’m sure that everyone who’s listening is, like. Where can I find Chris and learn more about the book?

Where can people find Christian Cochrane’s book

So that way they can explore more about Christian like all of the things. Where can everybody find you, my friend? What are the best places and for your book, where can we find your book?

Chris Cochran: Too absolute. And thank you. Everyone who does is interested in the book and most importantly interested in Christian’s story. So Christians, you could easily google Christian Cochrane and pull up all kinds of information on Christian. But Christiancochrane.org or Christstiancocrane.com, that is a site where of course will lead you to the book. But it’s more about stories about Christian things that we’re doing. His name, his foundation, which Christian, before he passed away, asked us to set up this foundation. He wanted us to make sure that we set up a foundation that took care of those needs.

And so we will help those kids who are in inner city programs, we do scholarship programs. We help young adults with cancer, we partner with young, Adult Survivors United. Which helps with young adults who really have nothing and sometimes don’t have families to take care of them. Christian felt blessed that he had a family that took care of him. He always felt guilty about that and he wanted to make sure we helped those who were needed. So the foundation, you’ll find all kinds of information there.

If you want to learn about myself and what I’m doing. chriscochranspeaks.com and that’s just about what I’m doing to put out this message into the world. You can find the book at Amazon, what’s good about Today? A Purpose Driven Life, or you can find it on Barnes and Noble. It is on global distribution, it’s really great to see that the book is selling well. I see it’s selling well in England of all places and so pretty interesting to see that. It’s a global thing that I’m starting to see and I’m really happy to see if people are getting that message.

Pamela Bardhi: Love, that. Chris, thank you so much for sharing your message, sharing your story. Christian’s story as well, just so grateful for you, thank you so much. Our friend and I honor you. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

Chris Cochran: I honor you. Bless you, thank you for having me. Thank you for giving me a chance to talk to and get Christian messages out. That’s the most important thing. So I’m so blessed and so thankful. You are absolutely what’s good about today, so thank you.

Pamela Bardhi: You’re amazing, Kri. And you’re what’s good about today for me too. I have very much enjoyed your story, Christian story, all of the things. So thank you again.

Chris Cochran: Thank you.

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Pamela Bardhi: So that’s it for today’s episode of Underdog. Catch us next week. Always dropping on Thursdays. And remember, if you’re interested in real estate or want to learn how to create more money and magic in your life. Check out meetwith Pamela.com and let’s chat. Sending you so much love all is.