Julia Collins And Her Inspiring Story of Shattering Glass Ceilings and Determination

Pamela Bardhi
Hello, everyone, and welcome to another episode of underdog. Today I have a rockstar here with me and her name is Julia. Julia, how are you?

Julia Collins
How are you? Thank you so much for having me.

Pamela Bardhi
Thank you so much for being here. You’re a total like badass Rockstar entrepreneur. And I just adore you, can’t wait to hear your story.

Julia Collins
Thank you. Yeah, I wish everyone would introduce me that way. That’s like the best, I’m the Chief Operating Officer at vision advertising. Which means the buck stops with me. I’m hbic at an all-woman 100% woman-owned woman-run full-service marketing agency. We’ve been around for 22 years. I took over the helm of the ship about two years ago. But I’ve been with the agency for about four and a half years, and I have been in corporate and nonprofit marketing. And fundraising and event planning are more than 15 years at this point, all over the Boston area. I’m also the founder and the founding president of the Metrowest Women’s Network.

I established the brand, I established all the guidelines and the principles, and the bank accounts and the LLC. And I brought it from the red to the black in less than two years. Then I created a transition plan and handed over the company to the next president. Because it’s not feasible to run two companies at the same time. Cannot split your love like that. I’m sure a lot of entrepreneurs know that. There’s a different kind of leader that should develop a brand and start a brand and a company. And a different kind of leader that should continue a brand. It was great to get that company off the ground.

But I was not the person to continue to lead it. And so it was time to move on to the next set of leadership, which was great. Matt is thriving. There’s 3500 members, a really vibrant online community and it’s been around for. I think seven years now, which is great. And yes, I also volunteer with my alma mater, Framingham State University. I got my masters there and I’m a pandemic puppy mom, I definitely am a victim of adopting a dog during the pandemic and she’s seven months old. Her name is Ruth Bader Ginsburg and I have two cats. Ron Swanson and Leslie Knope. So yeah, that’s kind of like a quick and dirty about who I am and what I do.

Pamela Bardhi
You see why I introduced you as Rockstar. It applies. Oh, man. And so what led you on your journey to where you are today? Because that is a lot.

So like, with that being said, What did you want to be when you grew up? An attorney like you thought you were going to be an attorney. Which is funny, but like now, right? What did you want to be as a kid growing up?

Julia Collins
Like everything, I think when I was little, I wanted to be an art teacher. Because I was really bad at school like I was really, really bad at school. I don’t know how to better explain it to people, because they see me and they think, oh. You must have gotten straight A’s and scholarships. No, not at all, but art was something that I did really well at now. If you asked me to draw something, it’s like, forget it. But I don’t know if it’s because it’s subjective.

And they thought I put a lot of work into it, or what, but I did really well in art classes. So I thought I wanted to be an art teacher. No, I do not want to be an art teacher. Thank you, but when I was a little kid, I thought that’s what I wanted to do. And then I think I decided I wanted to be a lawyer sometime in college. But I think it’s because I really enjoyed arguing, not like arguing like you’re fighting, but like a really intellectual debate. Mm-hmm.

Pamela Bardhi
You know what I mean? That makes sense. And like, throughout your journey like that, was there a particular person. Or situation or something that sort of inspired you down that road,

Julia Collins
I was really, really close with my grandmother growing up. But she wasn’t, I mean, she was a homemaker. She was my grandparents are the worst, they’ve since passed away, but they survived the Holocaust. So my grandmother, you know, that kind of influenced every aspect of her life, I’m second generation. And they helped to raise me and sort of that kind of like, colored my entire childhood. But she really was incredibly influential. She was in my household when I was a child, she helped to raise me with three generations in the household. Which not many people do anymore, but she really pushed for me to go to college. Because she didn’t even go to high school, I don’t think so I didn’t want to go to college. I really had no interest in it.

But I saw it as a way, you know, you’re 17 you see it this way out of the house. And she and I were very close. So it helped. I wanted to make her happy. But I definitely had mentors. Once I got into more of a career path. I had a great advisor in college, who really sat me down and was like, you know, you can apply for any job you want. Don’t let your resume or your experience dictate what you apply for. What is the worst that happens? And she really walked me through like kind of the logic train of you should go after what you want. Because what literally, what is the worst that happens, and that stuck with me.

I mean, it’s almost 20 years since I graduated college and that always stuck with me. When I was applying for jobs. And I was never quote-unquote, qualified for anything I ever got. Because if you look at all the qualifications, I never met any of them. The job I got, I worked for a very large nonprofit in Boston for about five, six years, something like that. I remember the posting, asked for like five to seven years of event management experience. And large 1000 person events and I had like none 00 years of experience. But I made a case in the cover letter that I organized very large-scale events in college and I was an RA and I was a property manager.

And I was very interested in the mission of the organization and it was enough to get them on the phone. So it was always in the back of my mind, what this advisor had said to me and it really helped propel me forward. Because there’s nothing that says you can’t apply for things. And now when I mentor young women. I’m actually thinking of one woman that I’m mentoring right now. He’s trying to move her career forward. There’s this idea and I don’t know if it’s coming from colleges or what. But you have to meet every single item and a job posting and it’s just not true. Yes, just absolutely not true. You could meet none of those things, but you have to make a case for yourself.

Well, that goes back to my whole principle of hustle, our painting talent. Mm-hmm. Like when you said that, it just reminded me directly. That it’s like a lot of people out there feel like they can’t do certain things. Because they are not qualified and correct, qualified. And it’s like, no, if you hustle, and you have the willingness. To learn that you will forever be considered for anything that’s out there.100%, I was just having this conversation. I have a friend who is a diversity consultant for very large corporations.

And we were talking about how so many corporations, big and small, require a bachelor’s degree and it’s crazy. We don’t require a bachelor’s degree at all, for any position whatsoever. Because it doesn’t mean anything. It just means that you spent X amount of dollars and worked the system. I have a bachelor’s and I have a master’s and I went to law school for a year. And I promise you that is the case. For me, it was incredibly helpful, but it’s not the case for everyone.

You could be just as good of a fit for a job and have no higher education. As long as you have the maturity, you’re willing to work for it. You can explain how you’re going to do it. And it’s just you know like you said the hustle. I would rather hire somebody who’s going to work hard, work late, and show up. Ask the best questions, research things above and beyond, then. Who has three years’ experience and leaves half an hour early? Like it’s just not I want somebody who’s going to work for it? Absolutely. Because they’re more invested in the position. They want it more.

Pamela Bardhi
Absolutely. And it’s just hustling and I tell everyone all the time. Like hustle athletes talent, you guys Mike. How do you think I learned real estate and construction, I knew zero. I hired a coach and then I just sat my ass down, I was gonna, do you. You’re gonna go to every networking event, you’re going to talk to all these people. And you’re going to learn the game, you’re going to listen to your code. You’re going to go above and beyond and keep learning more. This is what happened. I didn’t study it in school, like all these things in that some people feel disconnected. Because they don’t have that degree and they feel like because they didn’t choose that path.

That or they were bad in school. And then they just stopped, you know. Or it’s a financial situation where they can’t afford to go to your school. You know, there’s all these circumstances and people feel like failures. And I’m like, Listen, you guys, that is a piece of paper, like. I know people who have that piece of paper. Who have jobs that don’t even require that piece of paper. It’s about how you utilize it. How practical is it in your life? Like, how much do you hustle, is your network really everything correct? You’re willing to learn,

Julia Collins
I just did a presentation at D in college, It was awful. It’s like 40 kids in a marketing class. They all want to go on to be professional marketers. I said point blank to them, I don’t have any background, I have a professional background in marketing. And my bachelor’s degree is women’s studies with a minor in art history and my master’s is in business. I never took a form of class and mark. So how is that possible that I now run? And I’m a partner in a marketing agency 100% possible? How hard Do you want to work, how bad do you want it?

And if you want it bad enough and you’re willing to work hard enough, you can get it. That’s to me, that’s my big thing is that you know. So I live out of MetroWest Boston and I commuted into Boston for 10 years. Which is two hours each way and that’s how bad I wanted it. I took the expense on myself. Because the nonprofit I worked for could not afford to send me to professional development seminars. So I paid for it myself, I invested my own time in the evenings on the weekends. I took a $20,000 a year pay cut to commute to Jamaica Plain. Which is very hard to get to from the Metro West area, so that I could work there. Because the woman I would be working for was going to teach me everything.

And I knew that by eating ramen for three years, basically. I would almost get another master’s degree. Because I would learn every day was worth it. It’s how badly do you want it so that you can accelerate later. And I knew that by really having a hard couple years, I could advance and after that, I more than doubled my salary. The next position and then tripled it like, wow, I just have to know how to use it. You know and think, what’s the next step, you know. I think that’s one of those big things that people don’t think about. They don’t think strategically about their own careers necessarily.

Pamela Bardhi
Absolutely. And that money’s not everything right. You sacrificed at that point in time for a few years. Because you knew that a few years later from that you were going to double, triple, and just kill it. All you have your own firm, which is amazing,

Julia Collins
There’s a long-term plan. I’m going to drive a really bad car and eat really awful food, you know. College food for a number of years and have no life. Do a terrible canoed mindfully. I know this is part of a plan that is not forever. There is a purpose and I learned and I don’t regret it at all, I learned so much. You asked about who was a mentor and who kind of guided me through things. And the woman I worked for there, she really took me under her wing and was like, you know. You have a hard edge like I do. I definitely have a hard edge, you say what you mean, you sometimes struggle having a filter and you don’t have any trouble speaking truth to power.

And those are all really great things, let me teach you how to say it and be home. Let me teach you how to be in a room full of men that are 30 years older than you and win an argument. You can’t learn that anywhere else. And it was worth it every day. It was worth it for her to say, here’s the budget, here’s the timeline, you own this project. That’s like real-world experience in a way that is completely worth it. So it was amazing. It was an amazing experience and totally worth it now. You know, it catapulted me forward in my career.

Pamela Bardhi
I love that so much. So how did you transition from working a corporate role into your own business? Because that’s one thing that a lot of people struggle with is, like, how can I take off these golden handcuffs? How can I mitigate my risk to go out there and do my own thing, how was your transition?

Julia Collins
There’s a couple different parts to it. So one is that when I launched the Metrowest, Women’s Network, that’s, you know. Baby sized my own business, you get to kind of dip your pinky toe, into entrepreneurship of like. Okay, so there’s real money on the line and there’s real liability on the line and insurance policy. And accountants and kind of like, okay, so let me figure this out and I didn’t go. You know, graduate school for entrepreneurship, for just regular business. So it’s just a lot of googling and I kind of figured it out. But I had a full-time job, so I had, like you said, the golden handcuffs.

And I basically didn’t sleep for a few years and it was okay. I learned a lot and over that time, I met the CEO of vision advertising. Where I work now and she was like, Listen. I’ve been running this company for 17 years, I found it, it’s great. I need to leave, I can’t do this anymore, I want to bring on my successor, train them up. And then I’ll retire and then they will take over. That’s not a job interview, that’s a life change. Right? You’re not starting a business, but you’re gonna have the responsibility. So it’s a different way of thinking about things. But I think because I had started and then sold the small business already.

And I was kind of at a place in my career where I was like, I’m struggling working for other people. I’m really good at what I do. But I am the only one who can motivate me. I do not get motivated by other people, I don’t get motivated by false deadlines, I don’t get motivated by bs assignments, I don’t get motivated. When I set my own guidelines, deadlines, policies, which is definitely a unique skill set. And it’s very hard to do and I’m my own worst critic. I’m my own toughest boss and I will almost like Buck up against somebody telling me what to do. Like, I want to go in the other direction.

So once I learned that about myself. And I’d had this experience with this other company, starting it and then selling it. When this opportunity came along, to take over vision advertising, I was like, Yeah, that sounds good. Because not only will I get trained, at least a small respect of you know. Here’s our clients, here’s the staff, here’s the problems, I can also make it my own. And so when I first came on board, you know. You think you’re gonna do X, Y, and Z in the first year and it turns out. You’re gonna do a, b and c because then you start diving into everything and you have to pull it all apart.

But you know, now four and a half years later, I have this amazing team of people that work for me. Yes, you know, I set my own schedule and they can set their own schedules. And during the pandemic, we were definitely hit like a lot of people were, but we didn’t furlough anyone. We didn’t lay anybody off, we transitioned from an in-person office to a remote office with no problems. Were we able to support all of our clients, I don’t know. If I could have been so successful at it without the amazing team, I have.

I worked for them at this point, I feel like all the years of learning how to do people management. How to motivate teams, how to hire, how to fire, do HR. Everything kind of came to this point of this team of people, who supported me and I supported them. And it’s been a really challenging year, I think, for everybody in business. No matter how you did, you know, a quote. But I think if you didn’t have a great team of people around you, it would be even harder. And I really have the most amazing team of people working for me. That’s amazing.

Pamela Bardhi
That’s amazing. You mentioned a few things like entrepreneurship. Some people think all you have to do is the startup and it has to be a new idea. And it has to be all these things and it’s like, well. Maybe there’s someone who’s just looking to retire and looking for a successor. Who wants to pass on the torch and knows that you can do it. I mean, that’s a totally viable option and a huge benefit. Because this person has spent years building that business. And you’re stepping into the shoes and it’s like. You’re not starting from square one.

Julia Collins
I mean, listen, starting from square one is gonna be one set of problems. Taking over somebody else is gonna be a different set of problems. I don’t want to sugarcoat it for you. But it definitely gives you momentum that you wouldn’t have otherwise, because I’ve done both. So you got to root out somebody else’s, I feel like it’s like whack a mole. All the different problems that you find that you’d have to deal with. But you’d have to do that if you were starting your own business anyway. Because then you got to like accounting and finance. And you got to build everything up.

This way, at least you have the momentum. The financial momentum, the legal momentum. You know, the brand name recognition, etc. But you better be ready to hit the ground running. Because it’s already a train that’s moving and you’re stepping on it. Whereas when you start something yourself. There’s something about you controlling the pace of the beginning. This pace has already been set and you can’t control it till you can control the train. Oh, yeah, I liked it. Because I like chaos, but definitely a unique skill set.

Pamela Bardhi
And your first like three to five years of business, like what was that? Like, as you know, as we all know, that’s kind of like your pivotal phase, right? When you start any business or step into any new business. The first three years are always like that because you’re trying to figure it all out and get used to it. And figure out your systems and build your team and do this and do that so right. What was that like for you?

Julia Collins
Well, I usually think about the first three years at any position. Or taking over a team is usually like you spend the first year figuring out what the problems are, right? What always takes a full year to figure out what the problems usually take longer than that. But you can figure out a majority of problems in one year. Then take a second year to how do you solve the problems? Right? So the problems I figured out, let’s solve them in year two. And yes, it really does take a full year and then your three have the solutions worked. Then over those three years, you have new problems that have popped up. You have found new things and you kind of go through the process again.

And you know, now I’m some four and a half years in. I’m pushing your five at this point and so it’s now it’s like, okay. Fingers crossed that I have fully every single problem from before I came on board. But I swear we find some every once in a blue moon. Almost five years in at this point or something that happened six months after I came on. And I wasn’t looking for it because I wasn’t aware yet and then, how do you deal with that? I’m hoping we’re at the end of that and then it’s all the changes you’ve made? How did they pan out? Then you change?

Are you on the right trajectory? We had a really good trajectory going at the end of 2019 beginning of 2020. Really strong I think q4 2019, q1 2020 are some of the strongest quarters the company’s ever seen. And then, as we all know, the pandemic hit, so it was not only like transitioning everything to work from home. It was also you know, how do you pivot an entire company’s sales procedures. And options and kind of marketing everything we’re doing. While also supporting all of our clients at the same time.

So I can’t believe it’s a year later. But it’s a year later and we’ve done you know a full bounce back and really now. We can see the pivot work are the new sales tactics. Working is the new marketing review because now you have enough perspective. And I keep going back to my team, it’s you know. Over four and a half years I’ve definitely had some people leave, some people stay, some people you know, etc. But I think the nice thing is that you can see. What personalities are going to work better with your needs and your policies, etc at the time. Because people management and hiring is like dating and needs work for everybody.

It shouldn’t be a one-sided power dynamic. And the people who work for me should want to work for me. It shouldn’t be like I show up every day and this is the worst eight hours of my day. More time with the people that you work with and the people you’re married to. So you should want to be there. And I want people that work for me to want to work for me and it’s. You know, I have a strong personality. So if you don’t want to work for me, you definitely don’t want to work for me.

Challenges Julia Have Been Through In Her Entrepreneurial Years

Pamela Bardhi
I mean, it’s just interesting to see those first three to five years. Because everyone has their toughest moments. What have been some of the challenges that you sort of have been through your entrepreneurial years, not just in business, but also personal? And how would you kind of overcome them?

Julia Collins
Well, so like, on the business side. It’s going through and doing like a full financial audit. And trying to figure out, what bodies are buried from people who previously worked there, that you didn’t know about? That’s like, I feel like everyone goes through that, right. When you take something over your life and here’s the body, and here’s the problem, and that’s $10,000 a day. Okay, quash that great move on. So that’s one way of dealing with it, you know. In terms of other challenges I’ve dealt with, everybody has a life outside of work. I think it’s a myth that you can separate personal and professional.

And I don’t think that there’s, you know, a personal and professional balance. I think you have to integrate the two, especially these days when we’re working from home. Because there is no separation, I leave this room. Which is my home office and I’m in the hallway upstairs of my house. So there is no separation, you’re gonna hear my dog. Or you’re gonna hear my cat’s meow. Like, I’m home, like there’s personal, professional, or more than they’ve ever been. So how do you balance the two? And, you know. I had mentioned earlier that I’m an ultra runner.

So one of the things I’ve done is, I’ve always carved out time. To make sure I can run on Tuesdays and Thursdays. My staff knows they can call and reach me if they need to. But you know, those are the hours I’m out running. Because I can set my own schedule, I can go work later some days and make sure I’m taking care of myself. And the irony is that you know. I take such great care of myself and I’m such a big proponent of self-care for my whole team. But then at the beginning of 2020, I got diagnosed with thyroid cancer.

So not only am I transitioning the whole company. To be remote and to deal with the crisis of the pandemic. And help my clients and at the same time. I was trying to get the testing done for thyroid cancer. Because the whole state had shut down and so then once I got diagnosed. Which took about a month and a half, because of all the delays. Then I had to leave without telling my staff. Because I didn’t want to worry them yet craft a leadership transition plan. That I could implement, at the drop of a hat as soon as I could schedule the surgery. So it was you talking about those first three to five years being incredibly stressful, I don’t think like a month.

Because all I was doing was trying to figure out, like, okay. So if I go for the test here, I need to, you know. Do these webinars here to help make the sale over here. And then get the PPP loan here and then, you know. We couldn’t get the PPP loan, because it was stuck with all the Bank of America PPP loans, and blah, blah, blah. So I called our state senator here and then, let me go for more testing here. And then let me figure out who’s going to run the company when I go on medical leave. But how am I going to tell the staff and the clients and you know. It was a lot, so it was crazy.

Pamela Bardhi
I can’t imagine all that all at once. And it’s like, just take it and I can only imagine like, it’s like a day by day like. How did you sort of transition?

Julia Collins
I have a little PTSD, I think it helps that. I’m so operations-focused and so logical, I don’t get hyper-emotional. Don’t even think I cried when they told me I had cancer. It’s more just like, what do we need to do? What’s the next step? What are we doing, etc. As long as we have a plan, I tend to be okay, like, it’s one of those plans that I don’t do great. So it was a lot to deal with. But I knew what I was doing. I run my clients and my staff through crisis management. So I can run myself through crisis management and just felt like an exaggerated version of that. And you know, there was a lot of wine involved, so there’s that.

Pamela Bardhi
Thank you so much for sharing that and like cuz I know it’s deeply personal. It’s something people really don’t know, like, thankfully. You’re trained in crisis management. What would be some of the biggest tips that you would just for life in general? You know,

Julia Collins
Yeah, your experience. I mean, I think on the healthcare side is for anybody that’s dealing with any kind of health crisis. Especially during the pandemic. It can be really challenging, just be your own best advocate. Make sure you’re getting the best care possible. If you need to. Doctor if you need tests, etc. Don’t just assume that everybody else knows better than you. If you think something’s wrong, make sure you find somebody that listens to you. And believe you and figure out what’s going on.

Don’t just wait for the doctor to call you back. Make sure you’re calling the doctor if I had waited. I’d still be waiting to get my test done. And that’s not an exaggeration, it’s over a year later. So and that’s not anybody’s fault. That’s just because it got stuck in the bureaucracy of the hospital systems. So that’s on the healthcare side, in terms of, you know. Crisis management and professionally, I just did a whole crisis management webinar. You can actually see the recording on our vision advertising Facebook page. If anybody wants to watch it.

But you know, one of the big things I talk about is. You need to have a plan in advance, it could be anything, it could be, you know. A pandemic, it could be somebody on your staff has a skiing accident. It could be a PR scandal, it could be literally anything. But you could have like a five bullet point, crisis management plan. In terms of who’s the point person, you need one point person, your buck stops with them. They make all the decisions, you know. What are the guiding principles of your company? How do you make the decisions, etc but, you know. One of the big things that helped me was just turning it into an operational plan.

Okay, so if I’m going out on medical leave, that means I need to have a sense. Of how long that will take and who needs to take over for me. And how much of my job do they need to take over? How can I make that easy for them and what do I need to train them on? And how many meetings do I need to have, you know. Kind of break it into tasks and break it into objective items that I could manage. Rather than getting caught up in the subjective emotional side of things. Because then you’re just gonna make yourself crazy.

This is a way to kind of hold on to something that feels out of control. Because at least you’re chipping away at it, okay. I need to tell this person and then I need to explain what is responsible for answering their questions and then, schedule a follow-up. Okay, I need to call all the clients and this is what I’m going to say to them. These are the clients that don’t need a personalized phone call, start making lists,. Figure out what the concrete thing you can do is. Because not only will that help you move the ball forward, it’ll help you feel more in control.

Pamela Bardhi
Now, I love that and you’re such a problem solver. I’m the same as you. And I’m like the same thing. I think everything and like, operational standpoint, it’s all very logical to me, it’s like okay, so we’ve got this. Alright, what’s the solution? Let’s work on this. 123123. Like, I’m huge on lists and like, methodically, like putting it together. Oh, man, you’re, you’re a total rock star, I just adore you. So for you, based on your diverse journey that you’ve been on, you know. What would your older self tell your younger self? Based on what you know, now?

Julia Collins
Oh, that is a great question. I think about that all the time, I would tell myself in high school that your grades are so mad. Like everyone stresses, I guess these days, I don’t have kids, but my understanding from, like. My nieces and my nephews and kind of everybody is that no kids these days really stressed about their grades. And I think I was a little bit oblivious to that when I was in high school. Because I was just like, I’m a bad student, it doesn’t matter. But I definitely felt it a little bit around me, I would tell my younger self, it doesn’t matter.

Just graduate, whatever gets you through and gets you the piece of paper at the end. And you get out of this town, I would tell myself to go to, you know. If you’re going to go to college, go to a community college for a couple years and spend less money than going to a four-year college. Then you know, figure out what you want to do, If you want to get a bachelor’s that’s fine. But save some money because I’ll be paying those student loans off till I die. I would tell my younger self that being a loudmouth woman is a good thing and not a bad thing. That having opinions and asking questions is great.

And that when you ask a question, that means that there’s five other people in the class. Who has probably had the same question they’re gonna ask, it’s okay to speak up. Even if you’re scared to speak up, you should still speak up. It’s okay to be wrong, you know, there’s this whole idea. Especially when you’re younger, you know, when you answer a question, it should be 100% correct. It’s okay to be wrong. You just need to learn why you’re wrong.

And what can you learn from the experience of trying things and failing? Because I think there’s so much fear of failure and I used to have a really big fear of heights. I used to never be athletic growing up, I actually wasn’t athletic until maybe six years ago. And I think I would tell my younger self to like it. If you don’t like organized sports then just try to go for a run. He didn’t know, I wasn’t into organized sports in suburbia. But there were other ways I could go do things. I think I never understood that.

Pamela Bardhi
I love that. No Julia with your awesomeness like, What are you up to these days with my awesomeness?

Julia Collins
I am doing a lot of online webinars. So we have some business boot camps on division advertising Facebook Pages. They’re all free, which is great, they’re half an hour or one hour sessions. That kind of does a deep dive on different topics related to marketing and business leadership. For example, we have one about social media. We have one about brand recognition, we have one about social media trends. I don’t follow the big shiny, flashing object just. Because everybody else says you should have one actually. A really exciting one that’s coming up about salary negotiation and that one is. Because we’ve had so many people reach out to us. About how do you actually negotiate for your salary as a younger, really a younger woman, but it is a younger person.

And that came up as a result of conversations like this. Where I talked about managing staff and asking for what you want. So we’re doing a whole boot camp about that. If you go to the vision advertising Facebook Page. Which is really just vision advertising, you’ll see all of our events right there. We also have a number of webinars we’re doing in partnership with other companies. So we’re partnering with the Better Business Bureau for a couple webinars partnering with the Centre for women. And enterprise for a couple of webinars and it is all on our social media as well.

Pamela Bardhi
I love it, I love it, and now Where can we find your awesomeness, Julia?

Julia Collins
You can find me personally on Instagram, you can find vision advertising on Instagram at vision advertising rocks because we do. And you can find us on Facebook vision advertising. You can find us online on our website vision dash advertising comm. We’re also on Twitter and LinkedIn.

Pamela Bardhi
Love. Thank you so so much.